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Msg. #3117 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/22/91 at 18:26:41 To: Philip Rusin From: Sanford Selznick Subject: Re: FINDER SPEED IN SYSTEM 7. PR> ow, the other day I added the math coprocessor and I see no PR> difference in speed, with or without the math chip. I did the same thing. I have a IIsi with 5 megs, but instead of just a math co, I installed the "QuickSilver" adapter card from Applied Engineering. It is a cross breed of math-co AND 32k RAM cache. It comes with a control panel that allows you to enable/disable the cache and the math-co. I too have not noticed any noticable increase in speed with the math-co turned on. There is definately a noticable difference with the cache turned on. By the way... A quick plug... That QuickSilver card is VERY nice. I have not run into a single incompatability. Definately worth the extra bucks for the cache. Sanford --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: - Tucson Arizona - 602-741-7851 - (1:300/7) Msg. #3119 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/21/91 at 21:35:00 To: Bill Taylor From: Scott Ostrander Subject: problems * In a message originally to All, Bill Taylor said: BT> Second, beware that it appears that system7 is eating files BT> and sometimes BT> whole folders. There has been a lot of converstaion about BT> it on the TABBY echo BT> but nothing here. I personanly had 2 files erased by BT> SOMETHING other than me BT> dragging them in the Trash and others have had whole BT> folders. A call to Apple BT> resulted in "no comment". Beware and keep current backups!! BT> If you have had a BT> problem, let us know. BT> Bill Taylor BT> Fort Mill Tabby BT> BT> --- Tabby 3.0a1 BT> * Origin: Fort Mill SC TABBY 803-548-0900 (HAYES-ULTRA) BT> (1:376/24) Folders or files disappearing is often a sign of a damaged directory on the drive. It could be that the driver is incompatible with System 7. Also, the original version 1.0 of Norton's Speed Disk optimizer corrupted the directory, giving the exact same results! The current update to Norton's with SpeedDisk 1.1 has corrected this situation. --- * Origin: DTP Exchange (612) 636-7580 (1:282/61) Msg. #3120 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/21/91 at 08:09:49 To: Jay Steinberg From: Bruce Gerson Subject: RE: POWERKEY Jay Steinberg writes in a message on 14 Aug 91 to Bruce Gerson: JS> Exactly what do you mean by no support of QK macros in the S7 JS> version? Does it mean that powerkey will only turn on equipment JS> at a specified time and not allow you to send a timed keyboard JS> sequence? Obviously, there are work-arounds that are probably JS> better if the latter is true. Although I haven't tried this, I believe that what they meant was that PowerKey will no longer execute a QK macro at an appropriate time as it did previously. I suppose that there are other workarounds; one I was GOING to use was to have QuickTimer execute a shutdown. Now, there's no longer a QT! What workarounds do you have short of going back to System 6? Bruce --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: After I've tried the rest, I go back to the best! (1:102/863.4) Msg. #3121 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/22/91 at 01:09:34 To: Kem Tekinay From: Gawain Reifsnyder Subject: Finder speed in System 7. GS> Granted, this was running Virtual memory, but on the flip-side, it GS> was an '030 accelerated Mac. I thought it was slower under Sys7 GS> than a normal SE under System 6. This just adds more support to my GS> theory that Sys7 makes direct use of the math chip in machines so GS> equipped, and that's why it runs so much faster on the faster Macs. guess we'll have to keep saving our pennies! -=GR=- --- MacWoof Eval:11Aug91 * Origin: The Tone Zone... Sunland, CA (1:102/942.3) Msg. #3131 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 10:45:47 To: Paul Jacoby From: Dorman Bullard Subject: RE: Now Utilities > In a message to Damon Goo [15 Aug 91 10:26:00] Ira Lunsk writes: > > > Does anyone know when Now Utilites version 3.0 will be finally released? > > > Got my upgrade notice a few days ago. However, I called in my upgrade quite > some time ago, and haven't seen the new stuff yet. Funny, the letter even > says "Since you are a registered SuperBoomerang owner, you can receive NOW > Utilities for only $49. Copies are being held for you!" :-) Well, if you don't have it now, you may have to wait another couple weeks. Now Software said on America Online that the response was so great they are out of stock already. They indicated they are rushing production as much as possible. By way of apology, they indicated shipment would be free to those that had to wait. I got my copy a couple days ago. It is outstanding, and will be worth the wait, believe me, especially if you use System 7. --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: A Point Worth Getting to. (1:114/56.4) Msg. #3132 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 10:58:18 To: Greg Beck From: Dorman Bullard Subject: RE: System 7 info > Is there any helpfull files around for working with System 7 because I got a > free copy of it from a store, but do not have and manuals...?! THanx There are several good files available on System 7. The best is a file put out by Apple called 7.0 Q&A database. It is available on America Online and Genie. It is a 116K document with a lot of good information about System 7. I think your best bet is to buy a good book on the subject. One good one is "The System 7 Book" by Craig Danuloff, published by Ventana Press. You get a certificate for two update mailings too. I've heard it is in discount stores such as The Price Club. Another is "The Little System 7 Book" by Kay Yarborough Nelson, published by Peachpit Press. Another is "The Macintosh Bible Guide to System 7" by Charles Rubin, published by Goldstein & Blair. The above are in the order of value, IMHO. There are others which I haven't yet seen. --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: A Point Worth Getting to. (1:114/56.4) Msg. #3133 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 11:05:27 To: Tina Henderson From: Dorman Bullard Subject: Re: SAM INIT Placement > Kem - > > The =best= place for the SAM Init is to just 'drop' it on top of your > system folder and the _system_ will put it where it belongs. The system > was made for ease of use... :) > That's generally very good advice. And eventually things will all be that way. For now, until all the applications and utilities get System 7 oriented, you may have to do some experimenting. For example, the Extensions folder stuff is executed first, so INIT control utilities often should go there so they will load first, even though the utility might be a control panel device. There are other exceptions too. --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: A Point Worth Getting to. (1:114/56.4) Msg. #3134 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 11:09:23 To: Davin Flateau From: Dorman Bullard Subject: RE: Strange Problems > OK, I hope someone will reply to this message with some help.. > My "critical" piece of software then came out in a new System 7 version. > So, I ran the System 7 installer for the second time. When System 7 was > finally installed, strange problems happened. EVERY TIME I LAUNCHED AN > APPLICATION, I HAD TO PERIODICALLY PRESS THE MOUSE BUTTON OR PRESS A KEY TO > GET THE PROGRAM TO CONTINUE IN IT'S NORMAL WORKINGS! The program would just > stop in many places, accessing the disk, and just seem to freeze. When I > pressed the mouse button or typed a key, the program continued. This > happened FOR EVERY APPLICATION I RAN. After it continued, it would soon > again, just stop, forcing me to press the mouse button or type a key. There are various possibilities. If you are not use to the "MultiFinder-like" environment, you may need to increase the partition size for your applications. Seems unlikely all would be this way, but just an idea. You do this by doing a "Get Info" on the application Icon and increasing the memory in the size box at the bottom right. --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: A Point Worth Getting to. (1:114/56.4) Msg. #3183 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/22/91 at 07:55:18 To: Keith Christian From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: 7.0 on 800K floppies KC> I would like to install System 7.0 on my Plus. Is it available in any KC> other than 1.4 meg disks? Is there a listing of files necessary so KC> that the install can proceed with 800K disks? Or is the 7.0 upgrade KC> available on 800K floppies? The System 7 upgrade is available on 800k diskettes. Contact your local MUG -- all MUGs that have a license agreement got System 7 on 800k disks. jason --- MacWoof Eval:18Aug91 * Origin: *StarPoint* - Bits of *StarLine*...215.635.2341! v32! (1:273/922.6) Msg. #3184 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/22/91 at 06:32:21 To: Keith Christian From: Philip Rusin Subject: 7.0 ON 800K FLOPPIES Don't know if Sys7 is available on 800k disks from Apple, but you can get it on this size through user groups like BMUG and others. --- TMail v1.22 # Origin: PiVot Point - NorCal Hub for Network (707) 255-7628 (8:7704/0) * Origin: The NETWORK Echogate [8:70/0] (1:11/50) Msg. #3212 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/21/91 at 21:07:00 To: David Herren From: Kem Tekinay Subject: MY FAVORITE INITS/CDEVS/EXTS DH> I'll probably keep the 264-SE/30 in black and white most of the DH> time, using it for 24 color only to display certain images Black and white!?! I think you'll find that 8-bit color runs very quickly, and is far easier on the eyes. Let me know what you think. --Kem-- --- * Origin: Not Even Odd for your Mac! 718-997-1189 <> (1:2603/204) Msg. #3216 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/20/91 at 00:58:00 To: Lawson English From: Duncan McNutt Subject: RE: Kbd layouts Hello Lawson, In a message Lawson English writes to Stefan Pusch: SP>> You can take keybourd layouts from any 6.0.x System by opening SP>> it under 7.0. Then just drag the keybourd layout file onto yout SP>> 7.0 System Folder. LE> How do you get the Icon to appear in the Menu and the keyboard control LE> panel? That happens automatically. By the way, you can drag script systems from one system to another that way too. They have a little globe in thier icon instead of a keyboard. Cheers, Duncan (Big Mac) --- Mac vi v999(beta) * Origin: MacOrigin on MacBox in MacGermany (2:243/100) Msg. #3231 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/22/91 at 08:03:23 To: Philip Rusin From: David Herren Subject: Re: FINDER SPEED IN SYSTEM 7. Phil: The system certainly knows if there is a math chip installed. A simple call to sysenvirons would tell it that. Have you checked out the CDEV called MacEnvy? It returns all kinds of information about the mac it's running on. -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #3232 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/22/91 at 08:04:18 To: Keith Christian From: David Herren Subject: Re: 7.0 on 800K floppies It is available on 800K. I carry all the files here on my BBS in 800K disk image formats. -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #3250 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/22/91 at 15:34:01 To: Duncan McNutt From: Daniel Zajd Subject: RE: Kbd layouts OK, but if you use a different layout for date and that kind of things. How can I tell system 7 to choose this layot insted of choosing the US layouts?? Just to change kayboardlayout i easy, but the other have had a big problem with... Cheers, Daniel --- * Origin: Bomb the Base, +46-8-886942 (2:201/610) Msg. #3258 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/22/91 at 16:48:00 To: Greg Beck From: Eric Larson Subject: System 7 info > Is there any helpfull files around for working with System 7 because I > got a > free copy of it from a store, but do not have and manuals...?! THanx The best help file I have seen was one written by the author of Disinfectant, John Norstad. Some BBS's may also be carrying (slightly illegally) a Hypercard version of the official documentation. I don't have either only myself, but you might find 'em elsewhere. --- * Origin: Reading this message may be hazardous to your sanity (1:260/330) Msg. #2971 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/22/91 at 19:32:00 To: Lucas Hamburg From: Howard Gilbert Subject: Bugs. I have a IIsi I that I bought last November and started having the sticky mouse problems about two months later well before system 7. I narrowed the problem down to the mouse itself and exchanged it for a new one. Problem solved. --- * Origin: DTP Exchange (612) 636-7580 (1:282/61) Msg. #2972 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/22/91 at 21:51:32 To: Eric Larson From: Paul Jacoby Subject: Finder speed in System 7. In a message of [17 Aug 91 14:28:00] eric larson writes: > > Me, I haven't tried changing this yet. Removing the Zommrectangle > > appears to have helped some, at least on a 'feels like it' level. > > Could you please post the correct description on how to do this? > Your previous posting described how to disable ResEdit's ZoomRect. Eric, I reposted the proper stuff about 5 days back. If you haven't seen it yet, let me know and I will put it up again. --- Jabberwocky 0.11a3 * Origin: DTP Exchange BBS, PEP, V.32 (612) 636-7580 (1:282/61.8) Msg. #2973 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/22/91 at 21:52:16 To: Eric Larson From: Paul Jacoby Subject: Finder speed in System 7. In a message of [17 Aug 91 14:28:00] eric larson writes: A little off topic, but what is going on with Jabberwocky these days? New version yet? I still get the occassional memory-handling-related glitch/bomb with 0.11a3. --- Jabberwocky 0.11a3 * Origin: DTP Exchange BBS, PEP, V.32 (612) 636-7580 (1:282/61.8) Msg. #2974 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 09:21:00 To: Lewis Stead From: Paul Jacoby Subject: Finder speed in System 7. LS> little faster than my results with 6.07. However, and this LS> is a big however, any graphics tasks are very much slowed LS> up, particularly scrolling (Zterm is nightmarishly slow). True, there appears to be a problem with the updating of the scroll bars in ZTerm 0.85. I don't know if 0.9 rectifies the problem or not. --- * Origin: DTP Exchange (612) 636-7580 (1:282/61) Msg. #2975 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/20/91 at 19:24:21 To: Bruce Wisz From: Dennis Richards Subject: RE: Re: 512 B.W.> Have him upgrade to a Mac plus configuration. I have 4 meg in B.W.> mine and I'm happy. Thanks Bruce. What brand of upgrade did you invest in ? --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Daily_ Planet_Mac (1:259/108) Msg. #2955 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/20/91 at 19:26:35 To: Al Varnell From: Dennis Richards Subject: RE: Re: 512 A.V.> Most all the options have been discontinued as most of them add A.V.> up to more money than it would cost to buy a Classic. Thats why I put the (mis)in brackets. I'm glad he got the Mac,but sorry he didn't get the Classic,or a used Plus. Ah well...... --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Daily_ Planet_Mac (1:259/108) Msg. #2956 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/21/91 at 20:31:11 To: Ralph Wade Phillips From: Dennis Richards Subject: RE: 512 RwP> Does it have a 400K drive internal, or an 800K drive? That RwP> is, does it hum, or buzz? Hi Ralph. Its a 400k drive. I thought that the cost would be prohibitive but thought I'd inquire on his behalf. RwP> If you have the ECHOMAC echo conference available, that would RwP> be a better place to talk about this, unless the whole purpose of RwP> upgrading is to make it System 7 compatible ... <B-) Well sure,thats my only concern;the upgrading to Sys 7 compatability...;-) Seriously though,my apologies to the moderator. Could have sworn I put this in EchoMac. Senility must finally be setting in. S'cuse me while I go have a sip of Gerital. :-) At least I'm not as ancient as Mike Steiner...<grin> --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Daily_ Planet_Mac (1:259/108) Msg. #2957 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 09:34:17 To: Keith Christian From: Carl-Frederic De Celles Subject: Re: 7.0 on 800K floppies KC> I would like to install System 7.0 on my Plus. Is it available in KC> any other than 1.4 meg disks? Is there a listing of files necessary KC> so that the install can proceed with 800K disks? Or is the 7.0 KC> upgrade available on 800K floppies? System 7 is available on 800K floppies, the Personnal Upgrade Kit (from Apple) is composed of 10 Disks (maybe 11 ?) on 800K floppies. You should ask your local Mac User Group, they should have the System 7 on 800K available. CFD --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: SYNAPSE 1 - Club Macintosh de Quebec (1:240/324) Msg. #2996 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/25/91 at 15:43:45 To: Al Varnell From: DAMON GOO Subject: Re: Now Utilities Sorry I'm under non-disclosure by developer aggreement. Ver. 3 has doesn't include Print Previewer. I wonder if 2.0 Print Previewer works fine with TrueType? Msg. #3005 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 11:03:37 To: Jp From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: System 7 & 6 coexisting in a network... If you are using System 6 and System 7 on the same network, it's advised that you call your local MUG and get a copy of System 6.0.8, which has the System 7 laserwriter drivers included. jason --- MacWoof Eval:18Aug91 * Origin: *StarPoint* - Bits of *StarLine*...215.635.2341! v32! (1:273/922.6) Msg. #3007 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/24/91 at 02:04:00 To: Gawain Reifsnyder From: Joseph Emmanuel Subject: Finder speed in System 7. GR> GS> This just adds more support to my GR> GS> theory that Sys7 makes direct use of the math chip in machines so GR> GS> equipped, and that's why it runs so much faster on the faster Macs. GR> GR> guess we'll have to keep saving our pennies! GR> GR> -=GR=- I do not know if that is true or not, but in my SE/30 (supposed to be fast) system seven is pretty slow. The PageMaker (PM) and the Word (especially the PM). I am reverting back to system 6.05. -Joseph --- MacWoof Eval:22Aug91 * Origin: CALL 505 891-3840 - 5th point off the CALL. (1:301/4.5) Msg. #3008 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/24/91 at 23:14:57 To: Duncan McNutt From: Lawson English Subject: RE: Kbd layouts Duncan Mcnutt writes in a message to Lawson English LE> How do you get the Icon to appear in the Menu and the keyboard control LE> panel? DM> That happens automatically. By the way, you can drag script DM> systems from one system to another that way too. They have a DM> little globe in thier icon instead of a keyboard. THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN AUTOMATICALLY. NO WAY. I did just what you said, rebooted my machine, and got nothing. Not even the American flag. You are leaving out at least one step... Sorry, but I worked for several hours to try to make it work and no dice... I just noticed your origin line: you are from out of the USA, and are almost certainly using a different System 7 than I am. Lawson --- COUNTERPoint Silver 1.02 * Origin: Murphy!? Hell, PETER was an optimist... (1:300/7.88) Msg. #3029 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 08:22:39 To: Kem Tekinay From: David Herren Subject: Re: Color and B/W Yes I'll run it in B?W because I prefer it to color. I find that color in any form is harder on my eyes. I spend about 14 hours a day in front of my machine. If I run in color I am fatigued MUCH earlier than if I stay in black and white. (I negelected to mention that I have several machines in each of the two offices). I find it much easier to resolve a b/w screen. Even just a soft blue desktop will make my eyes tired after a few hours while the gray does not. All of this off-topic discussion hasn't even touched on the fact that I have found absolutely no use of color which can be justified for pedagogical reasons. We can't print in color here, so why waste time and money working in it? -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #3042 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 08:46:45 To: Scott Christensen From: Steve Dick Subject: Re: True Type An Apple-licensed BBS? How does a BBS become one? Is this approval required to have System 7 and other Apple files available for download? --- Opus-CBCS 1.14 * Origin: DTP USER BBS ## +44 81 656 5190 ## (2:252/118.0) Msg. #3078 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 07:42:46 To: Steve Ebener From: Bruce Gerson Subject: RE: Memory under System 7 Steve Ebener writes in a message on 18 Aug 91 to Dorman Bullard: SE> Second: My manual for 6.0.3 states that you should have the cache SE> (whether its RAM or Disk) set to 32k for each megabyte of physical SE> RAM that you have installed. Following this guideline, set your SE> cache to 256k since you have eight megs. Thanks, Steve. I'll give that a shot. I think that my problem really comes down to the way the new INIT Manager works with the heap. The Startup Manager of the new Now Utilities is supposed to do a better job. Once I get that, I'll do some experimenting. Bruce --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: After I've tried the rest, I go back to the best! (1:102/863.4) Msg. #3079 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 14:48:42 To: Ian Goldsmith From: Steve Ebener Subject: RE: International Systems In a message to Steve Ebener dated 08/17/91 at 23:06:39, Ian Goldsmith writes: IG> I've heard people talking about the keyboard on internet. IG> I'll send them over when I find them. Thanks for sending uploading them Ian. Now all I need to do is figure out how to get System 7 to recognize them without using ResEdit. (I hate editing compressed resources.) :) But that's a minor problem, and I'm sure I'll get it figured out later today (most likely - I haven't looked just so...) _Steve Ebener_ _Greyland BBS_ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: I never think of the future. It comes soon enough. (1:152/42) Msg. #3080 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 20:45:30 To: All From: Michael Lafferty Subject: Mr Smoothie strikes once again... ML> The original copy of this message - which follows in its entirety - ML> went out on ECHOMAC and on the Macintosh LAN and Communications ML> echoes. It was prepared in response to repeated calls for help in ML> applying smoothing to bit mapped images processed on laser printers ML> NOT manufactured by Apple Computer. The underwhelming response (there ML> were NO responses, actually) leads me to believe that it never found ML> its way onto the backbone. So, just in case someone out there is ML> still interested, here it goes again... This message is directed to those of you - particularly Mike Arst and Doug von Roeder - who asked how to patch the LaserWriter driver and its associated Laser Prep file to allow smoothing on PostScript printers made by companies *other than* Apple Computer. As you'll recall, the Apple software engineers - in all their collective wisdom - decided that this special feature should *only* work on their printers. Hmmph! My apologies for having taken so long to post this. I thought I had the instructions buried on a floppy diskette. More than a hundred archive diskettes later, I still couldn't find it. It was obviously time to once again parse apart their PostScript code and figure out how to defeat the little !@#$%^&*. And so, I did. And it took a while - the bulk of the Laser Prep code has been incorporated into the new LaserWriter 7.0 file. This driver works with both System 6.08 and the 7.0x series (only the first of which has been released, of course.) If you want to use an earlier driver, you are out of luck - because I am out of time. Well, maybe I could be talked into fixing the 5.2 driver. I, however, would recommend that everyone simply update to at least System software version 6.08 if not to 7.0x - that solves a number of printing related troubles. To enable smoothing on a PostScript printer *not* manufactured by Apple Computer (an NEC Silentwriter, QMS PS-410, or similar third party unit) when using the LaserWriter driver 7.0 - supplied with System software versions 6.08 and 7.0x - you need to patch the driver to prevent code from being invoked which prevents the downloading of certain critical instructions when the PostScript product name does *not* nominally match the string "LaserWriter". This refers to the product name embedded in ROM (LaserWriter Plus or SilentWriter, for example) and *not* what you may have named a printer. To invoke the patch using ResEdit version 2.11: Open resource POST -8190 and examine string 2. You should see the PostScript code segment: exch pop{dup length 0 eq{pop 1}{( Plus)eq{2}{3}ifelse}ifelse}{0}ife lse exch restore}bind put As PostScript code goes, I admit - it looks rather goofy. It happens to look that way because of limitations in the resource display template. Now change the value on the second line in the segment: ifelse}ifelse}{0}ifelse exch to the value 1, resulting in: ifelse}ifelse}{1}ifelse exch You should then see: exch pop{dup length 0 eq{pop 1}{( Plus)eq{2}{3}ifelse}ifelse}{1}ife lse exch restore}bind put Got it? Are your sure? Save your changes and enjoy smoothing. Be sure to reinitialize the printer if it has already been initialized by an *unpatched* driver, and be sure to distribute the patched version all across your network, or you will not achieve the desired result on a consistent basis. To invoke the patch using Fedit+ version 1.07: Search for the ASCII string: ifelse}ifelse}{0}ife lse exch Invoke ASCII modify and change the string to read: ifelse}ifelse}{1}ife lse exch and write the sector, saving your changes. OR search for the HEX string: 6966 656C 7365 7D69 6665 6C73 657D 7B30 7D69 6665 6C73 6520 and change the 7B30 to 7B31 thusly: 6966 656C 7365 7D69 6665 6C73 657D 7B31 7D69 6665 6C73 6520 and write the sector, saving your changes. Got it? Are your sure? Okay, quit Fedit and enjoy smoothing. Observe cautions outlined above and you should have no problems. Future versions of the driver should be similarly easy to 'fix'. And maybe someday (just maybe) Apple Computer will tire of challenging us to find ways around their little 'features'. But don't hold your breath. Michael Lafferty Msg. #3081 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 22:15:06 To: Bill Taylor From: Steve Ebener Subject: RE: problems In a message to All dated 08/18/91 at 06:06:28, Bill Taylor writes in part: BT> Second, beware that it appears that system7 is eating files BT> and sometimes whole folders. There has been a lot of BT> converstaion about it on the TABBY echo but nothing here. I BT> personanly had 2 files erased by SOMETHING other than me BT> dragging them in the Trash and others have had whole BT> folders. A call to Apple resulted in "no comment". Beware BT> and keep current backups!! If you have had a problem, let BT> us know. Bill, You're still having that problem, and others are as well? Interesting. I haven't had anything like that happen on my system, and I have over 3000 files on 240 mb of storage. (Not all of those are for the BBS...) Not one lost file since I changed to System 7. Of course, I'm not running anything that isn't System 7 friendly at the least. Things like the Norton Utilities package I don't run as not all of the modules are fully functional under System 7. All I run of that is the Disk Doctor. But I digress. If you haven't run Disk First Aid in conjunction with Norton's Disk Doctor, then I strongly suggest that you do so. It sounds to me as if you have serious catalog BTree, or other similarly related problems. I had a drive here the other day that showed similar symptoms, and if it had been brought to me earlier, I might have been able to salvage most, if not all, of the files on it. As it was, the people who's drive it was waited way to long before seeking help with their problem, and the only recourse was to reformat the drive to rectify the problems. In this case it wasn't necessary to use a formatting utility as the "Erase Disk" function of System 7 did quite nicely. Just a thought. If your problem seems to continue, and it were mine, I'd do a complete backup to floppies, and reformat the drive. Depending on the size of the drive, and the application you use to do the backup, it shouldn't take to many hours. The cost of the lost hours doing this far outweigh the possibility of losing most, if not all, of your data at some later date. _Steve Ebener_ _Greyland BBS_ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: I never think of the future. It comes soon enough. (1:152/42) Msg. #3082 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 22:21:02 To: Greg Beck From: Steve Ebener Subject: RE: System 7 info In a message to All dated 08/14/91 at 12:42:54, Greg Beck writes: GB> Is there any helpfull files around for working with System GB> 7 because I got a free copy of it from a store, but do not GB> have and manuals...? There is a Microsoft Word document from Apple that answers a lot of standard questions. Its called "7.0 Q&A database-Word final" and should be available on finer BBS's in your area. _Steve Ebener_ _Greyland BBS_ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: I never think of the future. It comes soon enough. (1:152/42) Msg. #3083 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 22:38:09 To: Davin Flateau From: Steve Ebener Subject: RE: Strange Problems In a message to All dated 08/20/91 at 15:36:36, Davin Flateau writes in part: DF> My "critical" piece of software then came out in a new DF> System 7 version. So, I ran the System 7 installer for the DF> second time. When System 7 was finally installed, strange DF> problems happened. EVERY TIME I LAUNCHED AN APPLICATION, I DF> HAD TO PERIODICALLY PRESS THE MOUSE BUTTON OR PRESS A KEY DF> TO GET THE PROGRAM TO CONTINUE IN IT'S NORMAL WORKINGS! The DF> program would just stop in many places, accessing the disk, DF> and just seem to freeze. When I pressed the mouse button or DF> typed a key, the program continued. This sounds to me as a simple need to update the drivers for your hard drives. If either or both of your drives are from Apple Computer, then your task is easy. Simply boot from the System 7 "Disk Tools" disk and run Apple HD SC Setup. When its up and running click on the "Update" button, and everything should be fine. Now, if you have third party drives (as do most of us), then you'll have to check the software you use to format the drive(s) to see if there is a "update" option, and if there is, use it. Here's hoping its System 7 savvy. Oh, and for a third option, if you have the room on both disks to hold all of your data, just move everything from one drive to the other, and choice Erase Disk from under the Special menu, and then move everything back. Do NOT do this with the volume closed as that will copy all of your invisible files and any problems you're having as well. It would be better to open the volume and "Select All" <command-a> and copy them that way. (Or use DiskTop if you have it.) _Steve Ebener_ _Greyland BBS_ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: I never think of the future. It comes soon enough. (1:152/42) Msg. #3084 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/24/91 at 11:08:02 To: Lucas Hamburg From: Steve Ebener Subject: RE: Bugs. In a message to All dated 08/18/91 at 14:03:00, Lucas Hamburg writes: LH> Could someone please share a list of any bugs t --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: I never think of the future. It comes soon enough. (1:152/42) Msg. #3085 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/22/91 at 13:58:02 To: Louis Oaken From: Richard Lloyd Subject: RE: SAM INIT > > Can anyone please tell me the proper place to put the SAM INIT? > Does it go in the Extensions Folder and a alias in the Control Panel? > Or just in the System Folder? According to the directions in the manual (you DO have a manual, right?), Sam Intercept goes in the Extensions folder and Sam Intercept Alias goes in the Control Panel folder. --- Copernicus V1.02 * Origin: Pompey, NY - via Shockwave Rider (1:260/330.9) Msg. #3146 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 14:53:00 To: Lawson English From: Bruce Tomlin Subject: Kbd layouts DM> That happens automatically. By the way, you can drag script DM> systems from one system to another that way too. They have a DM> little globe in thier icon instead of a keyboard. Note to Duncan: I don't recommend doing this. I had real problems after installing a couple of the "globe" scripts (maybe because I put them into loose icons on the desktop first) and blew my system file by removing them. LE> THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN AUTOMATICALLY. NO WAY. I did just what you LE> said, rebooted my machine, and got nothing. Not even the American flag. LE> You are leaving out at least one step... Go into ResEdit. Open up the 'itlc' resource. Turn on the first radio button and save. --- * Origin: Get that "April fresh" 32-bit clean feeling! (1:387/555) Msg. #3151 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 08:02:11 To: Lucas Hamburg From: Mike Taylor Subject: Bugs. Thus quoth the Raven ... LH> 1. Try opening the clipboard & the scrapbook at the same time, LH> and cutting something from the scrapbook. Anything wierd happen Nope. The clipboard didn't update immediately, but as soon as I brought it forward and it switched to the cut item from the scrapbook. I think this is due to the way Sys7 handles the scrapbook now. LH> 2. In get info boxes, the insertion pointer does not change back LH> to the arrow after it is moved out of the comments field Works fine here.... LH> 3. Anyone else have problems with the mouse button acting like LH> it's stuck in the down position after clicking, even after you've LH> lifted your finger I noticed this for the first time using Wingz 1.1 on an SE with a Radius 16MHz accelerator, 4 meg RAM, and Sys7. I have not noticed it *anyplace* else. Haven't had occasion to notice problem 4. Mike --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: -= If you can read this, you're too close =- (1:3613/13.1) Msg. #3152 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/24/91 at 16:58:36 To: All From: Charles Hord Subject: System 7 on Mac Classic w/ 2 megs RAM I am interested in knowing if anyone has tried System 7 on a Mac Classic with 2 megs RAM. Is it worth making the upgrade? I realize you need a coprocessor chip for virtual memory to work, but what about the other new features? Also, how about System 7 on an SE/30 with 4 megs RAM? And are there any problems anyone has discovered in general with the Classics (other than being very slow, I know!)? Thanks for any feedback, Charles D. Hord. --- Tabby 2.1/Export 3.21 * Origin: Fort Mac: Why be Normal? (303) 361-6965 (1:104/617) Msg. #3160 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 09:39:57 To: All From: Ken Ficara Subject: Changing List View With the old (6.0.x) system, you could use ResEdit to open the Finder and change the vertical and horizontal spacing between items in the View by Name view. I like to reduce the vertical spacing so I can see more file names in a window. I can't find the resource in question in the new Sys 7 finder. Does anyone know how to make that change to the new Finder? Thanks a lot. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: NJMUG BBS: Home of the Second Sight (RRH) Echo (1:107/947) Msg. #3161 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 11:11:18 To: Keith Christian From: Michael Domoy Subject: Re: 7.0 on 800K floppies KC> Or is the 7.0 upgrade available on 800K floppies? If you get a Sys. 7 PUK, it contains 7 800k disks for installation, 1 Disk Tools disk, and two HyperCard disks. As far as I know, the only Sys. 7 kits that come on 1.4M disks are the ones that come bundled with SD equipped macs... -- Mike --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: NJMUG BBS: Home of the Second Sight (RRH) Echo (1:107/947) Msg. #3170 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 09:47:34 To: David Herren From: Ash Patel Subject: Re: System 7 problem Thanks David for the tip. I finally managed to sort my self out. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Macintosh BBS, NJ -(201) 666-2013 -14.4k HST/v.42b (1:107/525) Msg. #3176 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/24/91 at 06:21:55 To: Jp From: Ray Leninger Subject: System 7 & 6 coexisting in a network... Using the System 7 Laser Prep and driver with system 6 will work. That was the main reason for the release of System 6.0.8--compatibility with networked System 7 drivers. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #3179 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/24/91 at 13:29:00 To: Philip Rusin From: Kem Tekinay Subject: FINDER SPEED IN SYSTEM 7. PR> Now, the other day I added the math coprocessor and I see no PR> difference in speed, with or without the math chip. Granted, I've PR> not worked much with the system since adding the chip, but PR> nothing caught my eye in increased performance. Hmmmm.... Wel, like I said, it was just a theory. Perhaps I'm wrong, but, in that case, I am at a complete loss to explain why Sys7 runs disproportionately slower on 68000 machines. BTW, now that you got a math chip, get one of the many inits out there that will direct the SANE calls to the math chip, thus speeding up the general performance of your computer. It will speed math up be a factor of 3 - 4 in those programs that don't access the chip directly. --Kem-- --- * Origin: Not Even Odd for your Mac! 718-997-1189 <> (1:2603/204) Msg. #3180 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/24/91 at 13:39:00 To: Tina Henderson From: Kem Tekinay Subject: SAM INIT Placement TH> The =best= place for the SAM Init is to just 'drop' it on top of TH> your system folder and the _system_ will put it where it belongs. TH> The system was made for ease of use... :) I think you meant this note to go to someone else. I'm not the one who asked about where to put SAM. However, this information, while accurate, is not the best advice. If one was to do as you recommend, the system would put SAM into the Control Panels, since that what it is. However, on stratup, the system first scans the Extensions, then the Control Panels for the inits it will load. This means that, if there are any extension, SAM will load somewhere in the middle instead of as one of the first (as is recommended by Symantec). To make sure that SAM is the first (or one of the first) to load, you should place it directly into the Extensions folder, and create an alias for the Control Panels for convenience. BTW, this all assumes that you don't have something like INITPicker, where you can reorder the inits no matter where they are. If you have INITPicker (or an equivalent) it doesn't really matter where you put SAM. --Kem-- --- * Origin: Not Even Odd for your Mac! 718-997-1189 <> (1:2603/204) Msg. #3187 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/22/91 at 07:02:59 To: Keith Christian From: Ralph Wade Phillips Subject: 7.0 on 800K floppies Keith Christian writes in a message to All on 20 Aug 91 KC> I would like to install System 7.0 on my Plus. Is it available KC> in any other than 1.4 meg disks? Is there a listing of files KC> necessary so that the install can proceed with 800K disks? Or KC> is the 7.0 upgrade available on 800K floppies? Keith - If you a) purchase the upgrade at your Apple dealer, b) download the files from America OnLine, or c) get the upgrade from a user's group, you will get the upgrade on 8 (or more for a:) 800K diskettes. RwP --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.073 * Origin: Ralph's Point-ed Head! (1:380/20.1) Msg. #3188 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 17:56:36 To: Lewis Stead From: Brian Forney Subject: RE: Finder speed in System 7. The System 7 Finder seems to have much more disk access than earlier Finders for the same jobs. This hurts people with older (i.e. slower) drives like me. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Conus BBS * Have you hugged your SysOp today? (1:282/24) Msg. #3189 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/23/91 at 18:45:14 To: David Herren From: Paul Jacoby Subject: MY FAVORITE INITS/CDEVS/E In a message to Kem Tekinay [18 Aug 91 14:58:00] David Herren writes: > I'll probably keep the 264-SE/30 in black and white most of the time, > using it for 24 color only to display certain images (like the Voyager > Uranus images on CD-ROM). Thanks for the information. I've placed my > order. David! Blasphemy! Buying a 24-bit card to run in black-and-white...unheard of. I have the RasterOps 264/30 card on my SE/30, and I run in 8-bit mode almost exclusively. I make the occasional hop to 24-bit, and believe I got a good deal on the card. But I try to stay away from black-and-white!! USE that color capability. --- Jabberwocky 0.11a3 * Origin: DTP Exchange BBS, PEP, V.32 (612) 636-7580 (1:282/61.8) Msg. #3190 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/24/91 at 08:21:37 To: Keith Christian From: Scott Christensen Subject: 7.0 on 800K floppies Keith Christian writes in a message to All on 20 Aug 91 KC> Or is the 7.0 upgrade available on 800K floppies The $99 "PUK" (Personal Update Kit) contains the 800K disks you want. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #3191 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/17/91 at 16:40:56 To: Dorman Bullard From: Forrest Taftyn Subject: RE: AfterDark Dorman Bullard states in a message to Bruce Gerson on 12 Aug 91 at 10:28: DB> Well, AD is up to 2.0v now. How about with Copernicus; It seems DB> to me that even turning uon the System IQ monitor, Copernicus DB> will hand somewhere. I hope I'm wrong. I'm running the Copernicus modules through COUNTERPoint 1.09. I've always left the System IQ Monitor on, and the downloads cook fine. However, I wonder if something isn't interfering with my message uploads; seems things have a hard time getting mailed to my Boss and CPoint will no longer write to my "Archive.Master" file. Odd, since the other stuff seems to work OK. Oh, well. -- flt --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: Bull Creek BBS - Austin, Texas (512) 343-1612 (1:382/54.11) Msg. #3195 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/27/91 at 08:52:39 To: Bruce Tomlin From: Lawson English Subject: Kbd layouts Bruce Tomlin writes in a message to Lawson English DM> That happens automatically. By the way, you can drag script DM> systems from one system to another that way too. They have a DM> little globe in thier icon instead of a keyboard. BT> Note to Duncan: I don't recommend doing this. I had real problems BT> after installing a couple of the "globe" scripts (maybe because BT> I put them into loose icons on the desktop first) and blew my BT> system file by removing them. I have the Develop 6 CD. It has the script resources for System 6.0.7. It does not have little globe resources in any of the system files that I opened. Are we talking about the same thing? Lawson --- COUNTERPoint Silver 1.02 * Origin: Murphy!? Hell, PETER was an optimist... (1:300/7.88) Msg. #3196 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 22:30:04 To: All From: Chul Kim Subject: math chip? Someone on this echo hypothesized that System 7 automatically makes use of the math coprocessor when present. i'm not a systems programmer, and i was wondering out of curiosity, for what operations would the System have need of floating point math? QuickDraw, for one thing, i think to be entirely integral, and i can't think of anything else the Finder or the System might need to do that can't be done using integer math. admittedly i don't know much really, so what might i be missing? --- Opus-CBCS 1.71 * Origin: Macademe/Emma San_Francisco 415-681-9594 HST/V32b (1:125/222.0) Msg. #3199 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 21:56:35 To: Al Varnell From: Dan Subject: RE: Re: 512 > ...I have a friend who has the (mis)fortune of buying a 512 Mac. What > are the current options available as an upgrade ? ... There is a company that sells an external memory module that plugs into the back for $132.00. This gives you plus capibilities...Dan --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: =-> Outer Limits BBS, Dreaming of a HST-DS.. (1:273/217) Msg. #3202 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 06:15:28 To: David Herren From: Philip Rusin Subject: RE: FINDER SPEED IN SYSTEM 7. > Have you checked out the CDEV called MacEnvy? Have not heard of that one... To tell you the truth, in some ways I've been out of the mainstream of Mac software for a couple of years. Witness to the fact is I have not upgraded MS Word 3.01 yet - and I ain't going to either. I've been using WordPerfect ever since I loaded Sys7 on my SI. :-) I've been using my Mac for work only. No fun stuff, except for Tetris when the boss ain't lookin' <grin> So far, Sys7 on my SI is working fine. Except for my ScanDo software (from Cannon), which clobbered the system boot area, my most important software is running just fine. --- TMail v1.22 # Origin: PiVot Point - NorCal Hub for Network (707) 255-7628 (8:7704/0) * Origin: The NETWORK Echogate [8:70/0] (1:11/50) Msg. #3204 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 21:25:58 To: Dorman Bullard From: Phil Beique Subject: RE: Strange Problems DB> SUBJ: RE: Strange Problems Dorman Bullard writes in a message to David Flateau DB> > OK, I hope someone will reply to this message with some help.. DB> > DB> My "critical" piece of software then came out in a new System 7 DB> version. > So, I ran the System 7 installer for the second time. When DB> System 7 was > finally installed, strange problems happened. EVERY TIME I DB> LAUNCHED AN > APPLICATION, I HAD TO PERIODICALLY PRESS THE MOUSE BUTTON OR DB> PRESS A KEY TO > GET THE PROGRAM TO CONTINUE IN IT'S NORMAL WORKINGS! The DB> program would just > stop in many places, accessing the disk, and just DB> seem to freeze. When I > pressed the mouse button or typed a key, the DB> program continued. This > happened FOR EVERY APPLICATION I RAN. After it DB> continued, it would soon > again, just stop, forcing me to press the mouse DB> button or type a key. DB> There are various possibilities. If you are not use to the DB> "MultiFinder-like" environment, you may need to increase the partition DB> size for your applications. Seems unlikely all would be this way, but DB> just an idea. You do this by doing a "Get Info" on the application Icon DB> and increasing the memory in the size DB> box at the bottom right. DB> Good advice but a simpler solution may be just to rebuild the desk top ( by holding down the option and command keys together during startup) this cured the same type of problem I was having on my Mac+. --- Copernicus II Point (CS) Msg. #3211 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/25/91 at 07:22:34 To: Keith Christian From: Doug Miner Subject: Re: 7.0 on 800K floppies Yes, Sys 7 is available on 800k disks. I have been using it on my SE w/4 megs of RAM and have found it to be the most stable OS ever for the MAC. I have had no problems. It's great! I used the stock factory distribution which was on 800k floppies. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo BBS - Newark, CA. 415-795-8862 - (SS_HST) (1:204/555) Msg. #3212 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/25/91 at 18:34:28 To: Howard Gilbert From: Henry Nunes Subject: Re: Bugs. Mouse problems on a Mac IIsi? Could you please describe your problem. I has a IIsi and had major mouse problems. The cursor would jump up when moving the mouse down, etc. The problem was luckily solved as I got a free trackball as a beta tester of the said track ball. Please describe your IIsi mouse problems? --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo BBS - Newark, CA. 415-795-8862 - (SS_HST) (1:204/555) Msg. #3213 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/25/91 at 18:38:02 To: Paul Jacoby From: Henry Nunes Subject: Re: Zterm .90? Antbody know when this long awaited System 7 compatable version will be out, or is it all ready out. I have paid the share ware fees and have written Alverson many time, but I get no response. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo BBS - Newark, CA. 415-795-8862 - (SS_HST) (1:204/555) Msg. #3224 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/24/91 at 16:06:48 To: From: Johan Fremin Subject: SAM INIT I've put The SAM Intercept(3.0) Init in the Control Panels folder and it works out fine but I think It's bad that you can't put the other stuff in the prefs folder when it's supposed to be sytem 7 friendly. Johan --- * Origin: Bomb the Base, +46-8-886942 (2:201/610) Msg. #3225 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/24/91 at 20:34:15 To: Daniel Zajd From: Bengt Lindell Subject: RE: Kbd layouts DZ> OK, but if you use a different layout for date and that kind of things. DZ> How can I tell system 7 to choose this layot insted of choosing the US DZ> layouts?? Just to change kayboardlayout i easy, but the other have had a DZ> big problem with... Daniel- I see you are in Sweden. Hello! I recently obtained a copy of the US System 7.0, and found it could use only the American date format within applications. The Swedish keyboard layout was easy enough to copy into it from the Swedish 6.0.7. However, there is a Control Panel (formerly Cdev) named International (in Swedish 6.0.7 and earlier it is named Format). The automatic installation procedure did not install this Control Panel, but it is there on the Install disk to copy into the Control Panels folder when needed. International lets you switch between different nations' date, time, and numeric formats, as well as sorting orders (the last characters of the alphabet can be sorted correctly). This requires certain resources to be present in the System file. I copied those resources from the old Swedish System 6.0.7 using ResEdit.They are labelled "Svensk" ("Swedish") and are in the resource types INTL, itl0, itl1, itl2, itl4, and KCHR. It worked! The usual precautions, of course. Work on a copy, don't risk messing up your original files. Regards - Bengt --- MacWoof Eval:19Aug91 * Origin: I'm trying to make a point here... (2:200/301.30) Msg. #3226 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/25/91 at 11:57:00 To: Lucas Hamburg From: Klaus Koehler Subject: Bugs. Hi Lucas! In a msg of <18 Aug 91>, Lucas Hamburg writes to All: LH> Could someone please share a list of any bugs they have found in LH> System 7? I am interested because there have been some strage things LH> going on with my IIsi lately... Sorry, I don't maintain a bug list... LH> 3. Anyone else have problems with the mouse button acting like it's LH> stuck in the down position after clicking, even after you've lifted LH> your finger? ME!! Yesterday I could not get out of a SFGetFile dialog box, because the mouse button seemed to be pressed... I ended up selecting files and files, but could nothing do than pressing the programmers switch. LH> Oh yeah, my setup is a 17 MB IIsi, Quantum 105 LPS, Teleport modem, LH> and extended KB. Thanks! I don't think this is the matter, I have one old Mac II 8/120 ext. Keyb. and a new IIsi 17/210 and it happens to both of them. Maybe we should check our INIT's CDEV's.. it may be a conflict between them. I don't have all of them in the extensions/controlpanels folders... BTW: I switched back to 6.0.7.... Ciao, Klaus --- GoldED 2.31p * Origin: Astros Wundertuete - Simtel20/Info-Mac (2:243/600) Msg. #3250 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/28/91 at 06:50:33 To: Henry Nunes From: Dorman Bullard Subject: Re: Bugs. > Mouse problems on a Mac IIsi? > > Could you please describe your problem. I has a IIsi and had major mouse > problems. The cursor would jump up when moving the mouse down, etc. The > problem was luckily solved as I got a free trackball as a beta tester of > the said track ball. > > Please describe your IIsi mouse problems? > 'Scuse me for butting-in here, but if you are having problems with a mouse, it could be one that Apple has recalled. The following Information is a partial quotation from Mark H. Anbinder mha@baka.uucp as written in TidBits 72: "People always complain about the various versions of the Apple mouse, but a certain version has a problem that may be more serious than a bad feel or wimpy ball. If youve got a mouse marked as Made in USA (hmm, wonder what that says about domestic manufacturing?) and has an 11-digit serial number ranging from AP038xxxxxx through AP103xxxxxx (inclusive), then youve got a mouse that is susceptible to static electricity. Speaking as someone who somehow gathers static electricity like... I wont display my physics ignorance by making an incorrect simile, so suffice it to say that I can provide fireworks in a darkened room when the humidity is low in the winter. I know how these poor mouses feel and sometimes Id like to curl up and die, just like them. They dont have enough shielding to protect their little mouse control boards. If the mouse suffers a major shock, the shock may disable the ASIC controller, which will appear to the user as a complete loss of horizontal and/or vertical cursor movement. In other words, it will be dead. Youre likely to have one of these mouses if you bought a Mac that shipped between September of 1990 and January of 1991. Our more alert readers will note that any Mac purchased in that date range is still under warranty, but Apple realizes that a special product return program will eliminate the problem more quickly and with less hassle. Apple is generously covering all mouses until June 15th, 1993, whether or not the mouse in question has actually died. After June 15th, 1993, its your problem. This return program will give you a chance to rate your dealers level of customer service. Apples note to dealers tells them to check the mouse when setting up a Macintosh and to notify customers who may have afflicted mouses to check on their mouses. I wonder how many dealers will really do this? --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: A Point Worth Getting to. (1:114/56.4) Msg. #3277 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/27/91 at 06:57:12 To: Louis Oaken From: Al Varnell Subject: SAM INIT LO> Can anyone please tell me the proper place to put the SAM INIT? LO> Does it go in the Extensions Folder and a alias in the Control Panel? LO> Or just in the System Folder? In the Extensions Folder. An alias in the Control Panel is not required, but may be a convenience to you. -Al- --- MacWoof Eval:23Aug91 * Origin: Scorpion-Point-Three, Colorado Springs, Colorado (1:128/46.3) Msg. #3283 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 17:41:36 To: Eric Larson From: Matthew De Jongh Subject: SYSTEM 7 INFO I would suggest that anyone who either doesn't have the system seven manuals from apple, or someone who doesn't have the TIME to read all of the apple manuals pickup the Little System 7 book from peachpit press, it covers EVERYTHING and is less than a half an inch thick. matthew --- TMail v1.22 * Origin: The Macintosh Only BBS_Springfield,MA_413-746-3202 (1:321/307) Msg. #3284 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 17:42:37 To: Howard Gilbert From: Matthew De Jongh Subject: BUGS. I have had a few problems with my si's mouse also. Luckily I had a spare adb mouse from my portable so I was able to narrow it down. Be careful if you are getting a new one from the dealer that it is the same mouse, the IIsi and other new models has a nicer mouse with a heavier ball. matthew --- TMail v1.22 * Origin: The Macintosh Only BBS_Springfield,MA_413-746-3202 (1:321/307) Msg. #3290 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/27/91 at 08:37:57 To: Steve Ebener From: Davin Flateau Subject: RE: Strange Problems Steve, Thankx for the tip. I'll try that. My drives are third party. Davin --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *- Mac For The Mind-* Pgh. !HST! (412) 661-9899 (1:129/120) Msg. #3295 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/24/91 at 09:59:46 To: Hyoung Csong Hnam From: Ian Goldsmith Subject: Re: International Systems Hyoung, You will need to get access to the internetMany large companies, especially computer accounts provide accounts to all employees, so if you know somebody who works at one ask to use their account. Even better, at this point almost all universities have computer accounts for their students- for a nominal fee most are willing to sign up a non-student. Make sure the account provides ftp (file transfer protocal)- most do. The name of the ftp site is ftp.apple.com. The way ftp works is that st you will download the files to your account and then you have to download them to your computer. Part b takes alot longer than pa One other thing- if you happen to live within area code 315 or 617 send me mail because I could let you use one of my accounts to get the stuff. Any other questions just ask Ian Goldsmith --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: G A L A X I A ! * Phoenix, NY * (315) 695-4436 (1:260/328) Msg. #3296 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 21:04:00 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Scott Ostrander Subject: Finder Memory I don't use DiskDoubler myself, but I have heard good things about it. For large file transfer jobs I usually whip out the old copy of DiskTop from CE and it whips through the job too. --- * Origin: DTP Exchange (612) 636-7580 (1:282/61) Msg. #3297 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 21:11:00 To: Bruce Gerson From: Scott Ostrander Subject: Memory under System 7 * In a message originally to Steve Ebener, Bruce Gerson said: BG> Steve Ebener writes in a message on 18 Aug 91 to Dorman BG> Bullard: BG> BG> SE> Second: My manual for 6.0.3 states that you should have the cache BG> SE> (whether its RAM or Disk) set to 32k for each megabyte of physical BG> SE> RAM that you have installed. Following this guideline, set your BG> SE> cache to 256k since you have eight megs. BG> Another thing to bear in mind about disk/RAM cache, or what ever bloody pseudonym Apple has thrown at it, is that MacUser, (if I remember correctly) found that there was no significant increase, or even no increase of speed at all when the cache was set higher than 128K. At least, this is true with System 6.0.x. Whether System 7 behaves the same way or not has yet to be tested, but there is no reason to believe that it would not do the same. --- * Origin: DTP Exchange (612) 636-7580 (1:282/61) Msg. #3298 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/27/91 at 17:14:33 To: David Herren From: Mark Storer Subject: RE: Re: Color and B/W --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Spanky's SportsNet / Austin, TX / Hook 'Em Horns! (1:382/97) Msg. #3035 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 12:24:15 To: Al Varnell From: Michael Domoy Subject: Re: SAM INIT AL> The SAM INIT goes in the Extensions folder. If you're used to being AL> able to access SAM through the Control Panel you can put an alias AL> of the SAM INIT into the Control Panels folder, for convenience. Gee, I was told to put SAM in my Control Panels folder, and it's been working perfectly from it... Are you sure about that? --- Mike --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: NJMUG BBS will soon support 14.4K HST/V.32/V.42bis (1:107/947) Msg. #3036 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 22:56:30 To: Michael Domoy From: Mike Bielen Subject: Re: SAM INIT MD> Gee, I was told to put SAM in my Control Panels folder, and it's been MD> working perfectly from it... Are you sure about that? SAM will work just fine from your Control Panels folder, however, System 7 scans your Extensions folder before the Control Panels folder. So, if some jerk decides to write a virus extension, SAM wouldn't catch it because the virus laden extension would be loaded in before SAM. Mike --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: NJMUG BBS will soon support 14.4K HST/V.32/V.42bis (1:107/947) Msg. #3049 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 22:10:35 To: Al Varnell From: Louis Oaken Subject: RE: SAM INIT > > LO> Can anyone please tell me the proper place to put the SAM INIT? > LO> Does it go in the Extensions Folder and a alias in the Control Panel? > LO> Or just in the System Folder? > > The SAM INIT goes in the Extensions folder. If you're used to being able to > access SAM through the Control Panel you can put an alias of the SAM INIT into > the Control Panels folder, for convenience. Thats what I thought. But when I do that - I get 2 INITS at startup and 2 scans for whenever I call for a scan on a floppy! Even thou there is ONLY 1 SAM INIT in the Extensions folder and 1 alias in the CP folder! And YES I did check to make sure it was an alias!!! Any other suggestions/ideas? Louis --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: MY POINT on Sunshine Online Service! (1:135/92.1) Msg. #3087 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/28/91 at 08:58:50 To: Lawson English From: Bruce Tomlin Subject: Kbd layouts > I have the Develop 6 CD. It has the script resources for System > 6.0.7. It does not have little globe resources in any of the system > files that I opened. Are we talking about the same thing? Try opening Arabic, Hebrew, or the various East Asian system files. --- * Origin: Get that "April fresh" 32-bit clean feeling! (1:387/555) Msg. #3088 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/28/91 at 08:58:50 To: Scott Ostrander From: Bruce Tomlin Subject: Memory under System 7 > or even no increase of speed at all when the cache was set higher > than 128K. At least, this is true with System 6.0.x. Whether > System 7 behaves the same way or not has yet to be tested, but > there is no reason to believe that it would not do the same. They rewrote the disk cache software for 7.0; therefore there is every reason to expect it to be faster. --- * Origin: Get that "April fresh" 32-bit clean feeling! (1:387/555) Msg. #3034 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 15:58:27 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Steve Ebener Subject: RE: System 7 & 6 coexisting in a network In a message to Jp dated 08/23/91 at 11:03:37, Jason Ehrlich writes: JE> If you are using System 6 and System 7 on the same network, JE> it's advised that you call your local MUG and get a copy of JE> System 6.0.8, which has the System 7 laserwriter drivers JE> included. System 6.0.7 or 6.0.5 will work just fine for sharing printers with another Mac on the system running System 7.0. All they need to do is make sure that everyone is using the same printer drivers regardless of the type of printer in question. Just make sure that all the printer drivers work under System 7 (for non Apple printers), and that every Mac on the net is using the same ones. _Steve Ebener_ _Greyland BBS_ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Hypocrisy is the homage which vice pays to virtue. (1:152/42) Msg. #3035 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 16:02:27 To: Scott Christensen From: Steve Ebener Subject: RE: 7.0 on 800K floppies In a message to Keith Christian dated 08/24/91 at 08:21:37, Scott Christensen writes: KC> Or is the 7.0 upgrade available on 800K floppies SC> The $99 "PUK" (Personal Update Kit) contains the 800K disks SC> you want. Or you can download the disk images from an authorized BBS, get them from your local MUG, or from one of the national online services. Each of these is less expensive, but they do lack the documentation and a copy of HyperCard (which you will also need to upgrade to v2.1). _Steve Ebener_ _Greyland BBS_ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Hypocrisy is the homage which vice pays to virtue. (1:152/42) Msg. #3036 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/25/91 at 19:58:27 To: All From: Ken Kirksey Subject: VM in System 7 Does anyone out there know that VM algorithm Apple used in System 7. I've heard tell that it treats your physical ram like a write-through cache to the VM file which is treated as the "main" memory. Is this correct? Ken --- MacWoof Eval:22Aug91 * Origin: -= The Lyceum -=- Auburn, AL -=- 205.826.9205 =- (1:3613/13.4) Msg. #3039 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/29/91 at 12:52:00 To: Henry Nunes From: Bruce Tomlin Subject: Zterm .90? > I have paid the share ware fees and have written Alverson many > time, but I get no response. Please keep in mind that most shareware programmers do it in their spare time. Spare time is a resource that there's never enough of. --- * Origin: Get that "April fresh" 32-bit clean feeling! (1:387/555) Msg. #3064 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/25/91 at 17:42:14 To: Eric Larson From: Bengt B{Verman Subject: Finder speed in System 7. I fail to see that removeing the zoom-rectangles for the Finder windows would improve the speed. Thinks that I know improves the speed are: See to that Calculating folder size och Show size are not set in the View control panel. Actually I have heard from several persons that the System 7 Finder is as fast as the older versions, or even faster, i.e. not slower with the correct settings (not patches). --- * Origin: Bomb the Base, +46-8-886942 (2:201/610) Msg. #3065 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/25/91 at 17:46:09 To: Louis Oaken From: Bengt B{Verman Subject: SAM INIT LO> Can anyone please tell me the proper place to put the SAM INIT? As far as I have heard Symantec recommends you NOT to use neither SUM nor SAM with System 7. The System 7 savvy versions are not out yet! --- * Origin: Bomb the Base, +46-8-886942 (2:201/610) Msg. #3066 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 10:08:23 To: Sanford Selznick From: Sigge Ruschkowski Subject: Re: FINDER SPEED IN SYSTEM 7. The Mac OS is using only integers so a math coprocessor is of no use. --- * Origin: Bomb the Base, +46-8-886942 (2:201/610) Msg. #3067 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/26/91 at 16:39:37 To: Paul Jacoby From: Daniel Zajd Subject: Zterm ?? Is Zterm 0.85 the latest version?? I have heard about Zterm 1.0. Is that a real uppgrade?? --- * Origin: Bomb the Base, +46-8-886942 (2:201/610) Msg. #3068 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/28/91 at 11:58:37 To: Kirk Crawford From: Adam Plotkin Subject: Re: 7.0 on 800K floppies KC> KC> I would like to install System 7.0 on my Plus. Is it available in KC> KC> any other than 1.4 meg disks? Is there a listing of files necessary KC> KC> so that the install can proceed with 800K disks? Or is the 7.0 KC> KC> upgrade available on 800K floppies? KC> KC> The official System 7 Personal Upgrade kit from Apple comes on 800k KC> floppies. KC> KC> (12 I think). $99 at your friendly Apple dealer. Or free from your friendly BBS. --- MacWoof Eval:26Aug91 * Origin: CPENT, New York (1:269/111.3) Msg. #3069 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/28/91 at 12:01:12 To: Charles Hord From: Adam Plotkin Subject: System 7 on Mac Classic w/ 2 megs RAM CH> I am interested in knowing if anyone has tried System 7 on a Mac Classic CH> with 2 megs RAM. Is it worth making the upgrade? Not unless you have a use for publish/subscribe, AppleEvents, or file sharing. CH> I realize you need a coprocessor chip for virtual memory to work, but what CH> about the other new features? You don't need a coprocessor chip, you need a PMMU and there's no support for that on 68000 machines like the Mac Classic. CH> Also, how about System 7 on an SE/30 with 4 megs RAM? It's fine! -ajp --- MacWoof Eval:26Aug91 * Origin: CPENT, New York (1:269/111.3) Msg. #3070 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/28/91 at 12:03:52 To: Michael Domoy From: Adam Plotkin Subject: Re: SAM INIT MD> AL> The SAM INIT goes in the Extensions folder. If you're used to being MD> AL> able to access SAM through the Control Panel you can put an alias MD> AL> of the SAM INIT into the Control Panels folder, for convenience. MD> MD> Gee, I was told to put SAM in my Control Panels folder, and it's been MD> working perfectly from it... Are you sure about that? According to the SAM 3.0 manual, it will be fine, but it will not be able to check any extensions for viruses. By putting it in the Extensions folder, it automatically loads FIRST of any INIT or cdev. -ajp --- MacWoof Eval:26Aug91 * Origin: CPENT, New York (1:269/111.3) Msg. #3118 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/29/91 at 01:25:35 To: Steve Dick From: Scott Christensen Subject: Re: True Type Steve Dick writes in a message to Scott Christensen on 23 Aug 91 SD> An Apple-licensed BBS? How does a BBS become one? Call "Stephanie Gwerder" at Apple Licensing. Use the number supplied in your Apple documentation (1-408-996-1010). There are several areas that you can license - System Software, Developer, TrueType, Comm's Toolbox and others. Each generally cost $25, and you have to supply your own subscription to the Tech Notes if you are licensed to distribute the Developer stuff - that's another $25 per year, or you can subscribe to "develop" to get them. SD> Is this approval required to have System 7 and other Apple files SD> available for download? Yes. Stephanie told me last year that she never checks BBSs, but who knows *who* might be "snooping around". --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #3122 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/28/91 at 07:38:18 To: Chul Kim From: Ralph Wade Phillips Subject: math chip? Chul Kim writes in a message to All on 26 Aug 91 CK> Someone on this echo hypothesized that System 7 automatically CK> makes use of the math coprocessor when present. i'm not a systems CK> programmer, and i was wondering out of curiosity, for what operations CK> would the System have need of floating point math? QuickDraw, CK> for one thing, i think to be entirely integral, and i can't think CK> of anything else the Finder or the System might need to do that CK> can't be done using integer math. admittedly i don't know much CK> really, so what might i be missing? Chul - Virtually all text manipulation on the Macintosh (especially with TrueType or ATM installed) requires some floating point to generate the bitmap. Window locating is done all with SANE calls, as floating point. Mapping out the "zoom rectangles" is done with floating point math. Shoot, just about EVERYTHING on the Macintosh can respond to a good NDP, due to the graphical design of it! RwP --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.073 * Origin: Ralph's Point-ed Head! (1:380/20.1) Msg. #3124 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/29/91 at 08:22:16 To: Scott Ostrander From: Lawson English Subject: Memory under System 7 Scott Ostrander writes in a message to Bruce Gerson SO> Another thing to bear in mind about disk/RAM cache, or what ever SO> bloody pseudonym Apple has thrown at it, is that MacUser, (if SO> I remember correctly) found that there was no significant increase, SO> or even no increase of speed at all when the cache was set higher SO> than 128K. At least, this is true with System 6.0.x. Whether SO> System 7 behaves the same way or not has yet to be tested, but SO> there is no reason to believe that it would not do the same. Sure there is: it is a whole new OS, a (possibly) new way of doing the RAM cache, etc. TO think that benchmarks that apply to SYstem 6.x are automatically going to apply to System 7 is being just a little bit optimistic. Actually, I found that having the RAM cache set to 512k significantly increases the speed at which programs load. There may be other speedups, or slow-downs, from using that size of a 'cache, but I haven't checked on it (or noticed it, for that matter). The old RAM cache used a linear look-up table. If the new 'cache uses any kind of B* Tree or other speedy algorithm, you can expect a whole new set of benchmarks to apply... Lawson Lawson --- COUNTERPoint Silver 1.02 * Origin: Murphy!? Hell, PETER was an optimist... (1:300/7.88) Msg. #3126 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/28/91 at 07:30:27 To: Dorman Bullard From: Bruce Gerson Subject: RE: System 7 info Dorman Bullard writes in a message on 23 Aug 91 to Greg Beck: DB> I think your best bet is to buy a good book on the subject. DB> There are others which I haven't yet seen. Lon Poole's MacWorld Guide to System 7 is loaded with graphics and several good shortcuts/hidden features which ARE covered in the other books, but in this case, they're highlighted. Bruce --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: After I've tried the rest, I go back to the best! (1:102/863.4) Msg. #3127 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/28/91 at 14:15:13 To: Steve Dick From: Steve Ebener Subject: Apple licensing In a message to Scott Christensen dated 08/23/91 at 08:46:45, Steve Dick writes: SD> An Apple-licensed BBS? SD> How does a BBS become one? SD> Is this approval required to have System 7 and other Apple SD> files available for download? Yes! You have to be licensed by Apple to be able to legally distribute ANY Apple Computer, Inc. files. This includes MacInTalk, ResEdit, and the rest. To get the paperwork so you can apply for the license call Software Licensing at: 1-408-974-4771. Be aware that the license is NOT free. Right now, with the $25 for this and the $25 for that, everything that could be licensed for the Mac would cost about $300 a year. Now, it may be that the entire package (for everything) is being offered for less, but I won't know that until I renew my license next year. Once you've been licensed Apple will send you master disks of everything that you've elected to be licensed for. I use "Apple Disk Copy v4.2" to make an image of each disk (regardless of what it is) and then compress these images with a copy of the end user license agreement to put onto my board for downloading. This means that the people who download the file(s) will need to use either MountImage, to mount the images as independent volumes, or Disk Copy to "copy" the "image" onto one of their disks which gives them a master disk just like the ones I have from Apple, minus label. _Steve Ebener_ _Greyland BBS_ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Hypocrisy is the homage which vice pays to virtue. (1:152/42) Msg. #3128 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/30/91 at 11:35:00 To: Ralph Wade Phillips From: Bruce Tomlin Subject: math chip? > as floating point. Mapping out the "zoom rectangles" is done with > floating point math. Nope, they use FIXED point math, which is a variant of integer math. Basically what they do is put the decimal point in the middle of a 32-bit number. This cuts down the numeric range to +/- 32767, but that's more than enough for QuickDraw. (However, I hear a 68040 can do a floating point operation faster than the ROM fixed math routines :) That's why there are all those fixed point math routines in the Toolbox. They're MUCH faster than calling SANE. If QuickDraw called SANE, the Mac Plus would be REALLY slow at drawing graphics. (Almost as slow as Windoze! :) --- * Origin: Get that "April fresh" 32-bit clean feeling! (1:387/555) Msg. #3157 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/27/91 at 20:14:08 To: Charles Hord From: Eric Larson Subject: System 7 on Mac Classic w/ 2 megs RAM > I am interested in knowing if anyone has tried System 7 on a Mac Classic > with 2 megs RAM. Is it worth making the upgrade? A 2MB Classic would probably be a pretty marginal platform for System 7. Wait 'till you get another 2 MB. > Also, how about System 7 on an SE/30 with 4 megs RAM? A solid candidate for System 7. --- * Origin: Reading this message may be hazardous to your sanity (1:260/330) Msg. #3158 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/27/91 at 20:22:45 To: Jp From: Brian Forney Subject: System 7 & 6 coexisting in a network... Or use the installer on the System 7.0 Printing disk to install new LaserWriter drivers and software. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * (612)642-4629 (SS&HST) (1:282/24) Msg. #3159 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/27/91 at 20:03:58 To: Charles Hord From: Ira Lunsk Subject: RE: System 7 on Mac Classic w/ 2 megs RA > I am interested in knowing if anyone has tried System 7 on a Mac Classic > with 2 megs RAM. Is it worth making the upgrade? I realize you need a > coprocessor chip for virtual memory to work, but what about the other new > features? Also, how about System 7 on an SE/30 with 4 megs RAM? And are > there any problems anyone has discovered in general with the Classics > (other than being very slow, I know!)? Thanks for any feedback, Charles > D. Hord. We put a bare bones system 7 on floppies and booted it on the new LC with 2 megs and found we couldn't run most of our programs, can't comment on the SE/30. -Ira --- Copernicus V1.02 * Origin: Home of Thomas Covenant.......The Unbeliever (1:273/922.3) Msg. #2809 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/30/91 at 19:58:46 To: All From: Chul Kim Subject: DA directory defaults In System 7, when i open a DA for the first time since turning the computer on or restarting and then ask for the Open or Save As... dialog, it always defaults to my system folder, no matter where the DA is actually located. Is the behavior normal, and can i change it w/o using SuperBoomerang or any other commercial software? Usually i'd like the DA to default to the folder it's in if i launch it by double-clicking, or to the desktop if i launch it from the Apple menu. --- Opus-CBCS 1.72 * Origin: Macademe/Emma San_Francisco 415-681-9594 HST/V32b (1:125/222.0) Msg. #2812 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/31/91 at 00:24:47 To: Michael Domoy From: Al Varnell Subject: Re: SAM INIT MD> Gee, I was told to put SAM in my Control Panels folder, and it's been MD> working perfectly from it... Are you sure about that? My information came from both Symantec and Apple. The SAM INIT will operate just fine in the control panel, but it can't protect you there against a virus that is activated by an extension which loads ahead of the control panel devices. -Al- --- MacWoof Eval:27Aug91 * Origin: Scorpion-Point-Three, Colorado Springs, Colorado (1:128/46.3) Msg. #2813 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/31/91 at 00:33:18 To: Louis Oaken From: Al Varnell Subject: RE: SAM INIT >AV> The SAM INIT goes in the Extensions folder. If you're used to being able to >AV> access SAM through the Control Panel you can put an alias of the SAM INIT >AV> into the Control Panels folder, for convenience. LO> Thats what I thought. But when I do that - I get 2 INITS at startup and 2 LO> scans for whenever I call for a scan on a floppy! Even thou there is ONLY 1 LO> SAM INIT in the Extensions folder and 1 alias in the CP folder! And YES I LO> did check to make sure it was an alias!!! I remember that happening to me in the early beta 4 days. I think that I had reversed the two, with the INIT in the Control Panels and the Alias in the Extensions folder when that happened. The only other possibility I can think of is that version 2.0 may have acted that way. At any rate, after I corrected my error, what ever it was, I never had another problem on any of the two dozen or so Classic, SE, SE/30, IIx, IIcx, IIci and IIfx machines we have running SAM 3.0 at work. -Al- --- MacWoof Eval:27Aug91 * Origin: Scorpion-Point-Three, Colorado Springs, Colorado (1:128/46.3) Msg. #2829 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/29/91 at 22:29:57 To: Michael Domoy From: Charlie Rogers Subject: Re: SAM INIT AL> The SAM INIT goes in the Extensions folder. If you're used to being AL> able to access SAM through the Control Panel you can put an alias AL> of the SAM INIT into the Control Panels folder, for convenience. MD> Gee, I was told to put SAM in my Control Panels folder, and it's been MD> working perfectly from it... Are you sure about that? MD> --- Mike I tried to place Sam in the Extensions folder and found an El Bombo! Very sad looking opening screen of an unhappy Mac. Tried with an alias and with the actual application. I placed it back in the Control Panel and everything was back to normal. I'm using a LC with 4 megs of RAM and not all things work as in other machines, though. Charlie --- MacWoof 1.0.1 * Origin: "You say, you're waiting for System 8!" (1:361/106.2) Msg. #2830 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/29/91 at 13:18:00 To: Ian Goldsmith From: Hyoung Csong Hnam Subject: International Systems Is there any other anyway to get Internet account? --- * Origin: Not Even Odd for your Mac! 718-997-1189 <> (1:2603/204) Msg. #2793 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/27/91 at 16:45:20 To: Chul Kim From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: AfterDark > i use Moire, which is perhaps the least demanding screensaver ever. After Dark also has a Moire Module. It also has a setting called System IQ that monitors activity, specially the serial port to prevent it from activating should you be doing a file transfer. As far as I can tell there is no reason to have a screen saver running while a file transfer is in progress anyway. The length of which is not going to do anyone's monitor doing any harm. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Listening to it Echo... (1:204/565) Msg. #2794 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/27/91 at 16:49:43 To: Hyoung-Csong Hnam From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: AfterDark > I don't have AfterDark, but I use AutoIdle. It's simple, it just darkens > the screen. It doesn't look as good as AfterDark, but it doesn't slows > downs the file transfer. Also, it's system 7 compatible. After Dark 2.0V (and "U") are both system seven compatable. As I mentioned to someone else, After Dark also has a setting System IQ which prevents it from activating during serial port activity. There is no reason I am aware of to have a screen saver activate during a file transfer. The length of which is not going to cause any screen burn-in problems.. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Listening to it Echo... (1:204/565) Msg. #2779 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/27/91 at 16:50:47 To: Steve Wolff From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: Dubl-Click & System 7.0 I assume you are refering to ClickChange, the System 7 version is 1.05. Prior versions are not compatable. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Listening to it Echo... (1:204/565) Msg. #2992 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/31/91 at 17:16:51 To: Lawson English From: Dorman Bullard Subject: RE: Memory under System 7 > > Scott Ostrander writes in a message to Bruce Gerson > > SO> Another thing to bear in mind about disk/RAM cache, or what ever > SO> bloody pseudonym Apple has thrown at it, is that MacUser, (if > SO> I remember correctly) found that there was no significant increase, > SO> or even no increase of speed at all when the cache was set higher > SO> than 128K. At least, this is true with System 6.0.x. Whether > SO> System 7 behaves the same way or not has yet to be tested, but > SO> there is no reason to believe that it would not do the same. > > Sure there is: it is a whole new OS, a (possibly) new way of doing the RAM > cache, etc. TO think that benchmarks that apply to SYstem 6.x are > automatically going to apply to System 7 is being just a little bit > optimistic. Actually, I found that having the RAM cache set to 512k > significantly increases the speed at which programs load. There may be other > speedups, or slow-downs, from using that size of a 'cache, but I haven't > checked on it (or noticed it, for that matter). The old RAM cache used a > linear look-up table. If the new 'cache uses any kind of B* Tree or other > speedy algorithm, you can expect a whole new set of benchmarks to apply... Yes. Here is a quote from an Apple technical representative: "Actually, under System 6 and before, the cache actually COST you time instead of saving you time if it was set too high. The overhead of maintaining the large cache too more time than just getting things off disk. In System 7, we rewrote the caching code and it works much better. You can now set it as high as you want (assuming you have enough memory), and you'll benefit. The other thing we did in System 7 was to make the cache always active. The difference in performance between no cache and even a minimal cache makes the cache always worthwhile." Chris Derossi,......Blue Meanie,.........Apple Computer, Inc." By the way, notice the "Use Defaults" button in the Memory Control Panel. If you press this button, it will set RAM Cache to a best guess size taking into consideration the amount of memory your machine has installed. .That's a nice touch. if you want something to compare to your setup, on my 8 MEGer, it sets it to 256K. On a 4 MEG Mac, it sets the Cache to 128K. If you use the uparrow in the Disc Cache area to its size, you will also get a different maximum it will set with the arrow. On my 8 MEGer the maximum is 2560. --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: A Point Worth Getting to. (1:114/56.4) Msg. #2993 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/02/91 at 12:01:00 To: Charlie Rogers From: Dorman Bullard Subject: Re: SAM INIT > AL> The SAM INIT goes in the Extensions folder. If you're used to being > AL> able to access SAM through the Control Panel you can put an alias > AL> of the SAM INIT into the Control Panels folder, for convenience. > > MD> Gee, I was told to put SAM in my Control Panels folder, and it's been > MD> working perfectly from it... Are you sure about that? > > MD> --- Mike > > I tried to place Sam in the Extensions folder and found an El Bombo! Very sad > looking opening screen of an unhappy Mac. Tried with an alias and with the > actual application. I placed it back in the Control Panel and everything was > back to normal. I'm using a LC with 4 megs of RAM and not all things work as > in other machines, though. >....... Charlie:........When you put the SAM INIT in the Extensions folder it opens in a different order that when it is in the Control Panel Folder (as everyone is trying to tell you). If it bombs in the Extension folder that is because there is some other INIT there that causes a conflict. It sounds like something in there wants to open before the SAM INIT. When you put it in the control panel, that other INIT (whatever it is) opens before SAM, so there is not a crash. You just need to locate the extension involved and reorder the loading order (by using some utility, or changing the first initial of the INITS accordingly. --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: A Point Worth Getting to. (1:114/56.4) Msg. #3010 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/30/91 at 08:33:59 To: Bruce Tomlin From: Lawson English Subject: Kbd layouts Bruce Tomlin writes in a message to Lawson English > I have the Develop 6 CD. It has the script resources for System > 6.0.7. It does not have little globe resources in any of the system > files that I opened. Are we talking about the same thing? BT> Try opening Arabic, Hebrew, or the various East Asian system BT> files. OK, I had already done that using the VIEW "by Name" option so I didn't see the little globe. I had also already set the flags (that allows tha US flag to show in the menu). I just re-transfered the Hebrew Script and Keyboard "files" from System 6.0.7 Hebrew, to my American System 7, and rebooted. Still, only the American flag shows... So what now? Lawson --- COUNTERPoint Silver 1.02 * Origin: Murphy!? Hell, PETER was an optimist... (1:300/7.88) Msg. #3011 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/30/91 at 08:38:00 To: Michael Domoy From: Lawson English Subject: Re: SAM INIT Michael Domoy writes in a message to Al Varnell AL> The SAM INIT goes in the Extensions folder. If you're used to being AL> able to access SAM through the Control Panel you can put an alias AL> of the SAM INIT into the Control Panels folder, for convenience. MD> Gee, I was told to put SAM in my Control Panels folder, and MD> it's been working perfectly from it... Are you sure about that? I tried it the way listed above and now SAM is always the first INIT to run, instead of 2nd or 3rd... Lawson --- COUNTERPoint Silver 1.02 * Origin: Murphy!? Hell, PETER was an optimist... (1:300/7.88) Msg. #3012 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/31/91 at 19:23:07 To: John Gillett From: Davin Flateau Subject: RE: Strange Problems >EID:b87c 17169ac0 >What kind (brand) of HDs are you running, and what are you using for a driver >on them? My off the wall guess (for what it's worth) is that you've got a compat >problem with those drivers, and/or you did not update them for 7. > >John > > > >--- Copernicus II Point (CS) > * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix [6:6008/1] (1:114/27.1) I am using Ehman drives. What can I do to update the drivers? Davin --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *- Mac For The Mind-* Pgh. !HST! (412) 661-9899 (1:129/120) Msg. #3014 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/31/91 at 20:43:25 To: All From: Dallas Cantland Subject: how much? Can you get a copy of this from a users group or is it commercial and you have to BUY a copy of system 7? I have a mac plus with 2.5megs of ram. Do I have enough memory? --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: =-> Outer Limits BBS, Dreaming of a HST-DS.. (1:273/217) Msg. #3021 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/31/91 at 11:05:46 To: Bengt B{Verman From: Al Varnell Subject: SAM INIT BB> As far as I have heard Symantec recommends you NOT to use neither SUM nor BB> SAM with System 7. The System 7 savvy versions are not out yet! SAM 3.0 works just fine with System 7 and is recommended by Symantec. The only thing it won't do yet is protect over a network. You are correct about SUM. -Al- --- MacWoof Eval:27Aug91 * Origin: Scorpion-Point-Three, Colorado Springs, Colorado (1:128/46.3) Msg. #3046 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/02/91 at 09:26:41 To: Davin Flateau From: John Gillett Subject: RE: Strange Problems DF> I am using Ehman drives. What can I do to update the drivers? I have no idea what software came with those drives when you got them. Contact either the publisher of the software of Ehman to find out about System 7 compat and possible upgrades. John --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix [6:6008/1] (1:114/27.1) Msg. #3047 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/31/91 at 18:05:00 To: Steve Ebener From: Eric Larson Subject: Apple licensing > Be aware that the license is NOT free. Right now, with the $25 for > this and the $25 for that, everything that could be licensed for the Mac > would cost about $300 a year. Of course, you don't need the whole package. I license the system software, the comm toolbox, and the developer's utils. That costs $100 per year, and it is easy to cover the cost with user contributions. $25/year for the Extensions Manager or TrueType is ludicrous. --- * Origin: Reading this message may be hazardous to your sanity (1:260/330) Msg. #3048 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/31/91 at 18:53:00 To: Daniel Zajd From: Paul Jacoby Subject: Zterm ?? DZ> Is Zterm 0.85 the latest version?? Yes, the latest. DZ> I have heard about Zterm 1.0. Is that a real uppgrade?? A fake, ResEdit-induced hack. Toss it. --- * Origin: DTP Exchange (612) 636-7580 (1:282/61) Msg. #3049 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/30/91 at 15:15:48 To: Davin Flateau From: Steve Ebener Subject: RE: Strange Problems In a message to Steve Ebener dated 08/27/91 at 08:37:57, Davin Flateau writes: DF> Steve, DF> DF> Thankx for the tip. I'll try that. My drives are third DF> party. DF> DF> Davin Your welcome. Whatever it was that I said...? _Steve Ebener_ _Greyland BBS_ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Hypocrisy is the homage which vice pays to virtue. (1:152/42) Msg. #3050 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/30/91 at 15:20:19 To: Henry Nunes From: Steve Ebener Subject: RE: Re: Zterm .90? In a message to Paul Jacoby dated 08/25/91 at 18:38:02, Henry Nunes writes: HN> Antbody know when this long awaited System 7 compatable HN> version will be out, or is it all ready out. HN> HN> I have paid the share ware fees and have written Alverson HN> many time, but I get no response. Henry, I think you'll find that Mr. Alverson is NOT a full time programer and he's writing ZTerm in his spare time. I'm sure that as soon as he has the "spare" time he will get the next version finished and start distributing it. (My belief only, I don't have first hand information.) _Steve Ebener_ _Greyland BBS_ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Hypocrisy is the homage which vice pays to virtue. (1:152/42) Msg. #3052 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/02/91 at 15:39:42 To: Eric Larson From: John Gillett Subject: RE: Apple licensing el> $25/year for the Extensions Manager or TrueType is ludicrous. Actually, IMHO, any fee is ludicrous. I see no reason I should pay Apple to help make their software more accessable to users. I dropped my license a long time ago. Seems to me we do enough to support them already by paying their high prices for equipment. John --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix [6:6008/1] (1:114/27.1) Msg. #3054 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 22:38:00 To: Lawson English From: Bruce Tomlin Subject: Kbd layouts > the American flag shows... So what now? What now? Nothing. They don't work (I *told* you they weren't system 7 studly!) Now just try running a word processor (MacWrite II can freak out with "globe" scripts installed by icon dragging) and for REAL fun, try removing them from your system file and rebooting. (better be ready to reinstall your system from the master disks!) --- * Origin: Get that "April fresh" 32-bit clean feeling! (1:387/555) Msg. #3055 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 09:31:01 To: Steve Ebener From: Scott Christensen Subject: Apple licensing Steve Ebener writes in a message to Steve Dick on 28 Aug 91 SE> Once you've been licensed Apple will send you master disks of SE> everything that you've elected to be licensed for. I hesitate to continue an off-topic string, but Apple no longer sends master disks for everything. You have to specifically tell Apple Licensing that you don't have an AppleLink account, or else they will expect you to download the disk images (on your dime) from AppleLink. This started last year with the Technical notes and continues with the new System 7 (TrueType compatible - I knew I could get this somewhere near on-topic somehow) printer drivers. In short, the level of service is going down, and the price is going up. FYI, there is a new license for the new printer drivers, and there will be a new "peristroika" license for the rest of the System software (including System 7). The printer license required the sysop to key in the license - or otherwise distribute a copy of the license to each individual - the license was _not_ available as a text file. The "peristroika" license for the rest of the System software should be distributed on disk later this year. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #3056 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 13:36:56 To: All From: Paul Jacoby Subject: Error -97 and DAs For those experiencing problems when using DAs under System 7.0, take a look at the following information captured from the Internet comp.sys.mac.system group. It explains the ever-popular 'System Error -97' which can occur when opening a DA. ------------- Date: Tue, 27 Aug 91 13:15:14 +0200 From: akc02@aix370.rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jochen Teufel) Subject: Error -97/"Lost Scrapbook" Referring to the messages of David R. Voorhees (dvoorhees@usc.pppl.gov) in #190 and Murph Sewall (SEWALL@uconnvm.uconn.edu) in #191 ("Lost Scrapbook?") there has been an excellent description of the error -97 problem by Bill Steinberg, sysop of the Macintosh System 7 forum in CompuServe. I had a similar experience, it turned out to be a driver conflict between the Abaton Interfax cdev and the Key Caps desk accessory. Renumbering one of the driver IDs helped. BTW: a future version of Suitcase is supposed to solve ID conflicts, but to my knowledge it has not been released yet. Jochen Teufel, akc02@rrz.uni-koeln.de, CIS 100015,3724 > From: Bill Steinberg (Sysop), 76703,1027 > To: Jim Schelter, 70140,316 > Topic: Error -97 and others... > Section: The Apple Menu > Forum: Macintosh System 7 > Date: Don, 20. Jun 1991, 18:28:01 Uhr > > You have a driver conflict. You don't have to switch back to System 6 to use > your DAs, but you have to be able to use ResEdit (at least) to check what's > going on. I don't know the gory details of how it happened, but I can tell > you what to check for, and (probably) how to fix things. > > System 7 DAs (those with lower case creator and filetype; the kind you > double click on directly to run, not the kind in suitcase files) need to > have their driver resource ID in a certain range (12 to 29 or so, I forget > the top limit exactly....). If their ID number is outside this range, there > is a potential conflict with existing device drivers. Here is an example > that will yield you a -97 error: You are using the MountImage CDev, which > installs a device driver into slot number 31. You also have a System 7 DA > which somehow has been renumbered so that the driver is ID 31 (more later on > how things can be renumbered). When you try and launch the DA, you'll get > the -97 error. > > Most likely you are having problems with driver numbers in the range of 0 to > 11, rather than numbers higher than 29 (or whatever the top limit is, I > can't recall). Under System 7, when a DA is launched, it's given its own > partition. When that partition is created, some of the unit table is swapped > out, but only the part that holds drivers 12 to 29 or so. If your System 7 > DA has an ID outside this range, you can get this conflict. > > How can this happen? (IE How did my DA get a driver number outside the > range?). Well, it can happen a number of ways. When the Finder extracts a > System 7 DA from a suitcase file, it automatically renumbers it to be in the > acceptable range [it usually just uses ID 12], UNLESS THE EXISTING RESOURCE > NUMBER IS IN THE RANGE OF 0 TO 11 (because this means it's probably a device > driver that should not be renumbered). > > So how did the DA in the suitcase file get a resource number less than 12? > Well, when the Finder copies DAs from one suitcase to another suitcase, it > will use ID numbers from 0 to 11 [nb this is probably what the real "bug" > involved is]. Once the ID number is between 0 and 11, neither the Finder or > FDAM will renumber it... > > What you should do is use ResEdit to open all of your System 7 DAs, and look > at what resource number the DRVR resource is. If it's not in the range of 12 > to 29 (I have to look up what the top limit is...), then you should throw it > away, go back to the original suitcase file on your master disk, and > re-extract the DA with the Finder. > > Bill S Msg. #3057 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/30/91 at 10:38:21 To: Bruce Tomlin From: Ira Lunsk Subject: Zterm .90? In a message Henry Nunes writes: > I have paid the share ware fees and have written Alverson many > time, but I get no response. You responeded BT> Please keep in mind that most shareware programmers do it in their spare BT> time. Spare time is a resource that there's never enough of. Spoken like a true shareware author. -Ira --- MacWoof Eval:29Aug91 * Origin: Haven't switched yet, waiting for a faster Mac (1:273/922.3) Msg. #3061 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/31/91 at 10:04:26 To: Eric Larson From: John Rummel Subject: RE: System 7 on Mac Classic w/ 2 megs RA > > I am interested in knowing if anyone has tried System 7 on a Mac Classic > > with 2 megs RAM. Is it worth making the upgrade? > > A 2MB Classic would probably be a pretty marginal platform for System 7. Wait > 'till you get another 2 MB. > For the information of the person to whom you were replying, Eric, System 7 on a two meg Classic/SE/Plus is a total waste. Yes you can get it up and running, yes you can launch certain applications. Once I got System 7 installed on my 2 megger, I had between 700 and 800K left available for applications. Word, Works, and any other app that I could launch in that much memory acted contrary enough in that environment that it was unusable. Simple operations took forever and the applications would freeze up sporadically, as they ran short of memory, I guess. My two one meg SIMMs came in the mail the next day, and now I have a truly happy mac. --- Copernicus V1.02 * Origin: Insert witty origin line here. Madison, WI (1:121/99.3) Msg. #3062 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 07:55:33 To: Ian Goldsmith From: Roger Harmon Subject: Re: International Systems I have a friend going to Sweden and wanting to continue writing a book in MS Word 4.0. There will be a Swedish Mac there to use and we are wondering if there will be any conflicts trying to write in English on a Swedish Mac, keyboard, etc? /Roger/ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: - Tucson Arizona - 602-741-7851 - (1:300/7) Msg. #3065 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/02/91 at 12:00:00 To: All From: Scott Norman Subject: Courier True Type There is a small bug I found in Courier True Type, the quotes that are produced by using option-[ and shift-option-[ are reversed. I found this out because I use Smart Quotes in MS word. Courier seesms to bee the only font with this problem It probably can be fixed by using Resedit though I havent tried yet. I keep on planning to call Apple. I should do it this week Scott --- * Origin: Gentle Rain Forum - CHOMP (Mac Users Group) (1:207/111) Msg. #3067 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 14:23:00 To: Lewis Stead From: Kem Tekinay Subject: Finder Speed In System 7. LS>As far as I can tell the general speed of system 7 is a little faster than my LS>results with 6.07. However, and this is a big however, any graphics tasks LS>are very much slowed up, particularly scrolling (Zterm is nightmarishly LS>slow). However, it seems like programs are opening faster. I also have LS>noticed that with more than one program running things really slow up, LS>however things like downloading in one program while using another are more LS>efficient. In 6.07 if I was downloading a large file, I wouldn't work on LS>something in Word as I'd lose 10 or 15% efficiency. Now, it remains at 96%, LS>and the performance on Word is slowed. What computer are you using? My experience on an SE/30 is that everything runs a little faster, with the exception being SoftPC (which has slowed down noticibly). But I use ZTerm, and find no speed difference at all. Are you sure it isn't an init that's causing the problems? Or that you have "Calculate folder sizes" turned on in the Views cdev? --Kem-- --- * Origin: Not Even Odd for your Mac! 718-997-1189 <> (1:2603/204) Msg. #3068 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 14:25:00 To: Brian Forney From: Kem Tekinay Subject: Finder Speed In System 7. BF>The System 7 Finder seems to have much more disk access than earlier BF>Finders for the same jobs. This hurts people with older (i.e. slower) BF>drives like me. Turn off "Calculate folder sizes" in the Views cdev if you have it on. That would account for the disk accesses, and for slowing Sys7 to a crawl. --Kem-- --- * Origin: Not Even Odd for your Mac! 718-997-1189 <> (1:2603/204) Msg. #3069 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 14:28:00 To: Joseph Emmanuel From: Kem Tekinay Subject: Finder Speed In System 7. JE>I do not know if that is true or not, but in my SE/30 (supposed to be fast) JE>system seven is pretty slow. The PageMaker (PM) and the Word (especially the JE>PM). I am reverting back to system 6.05. Before you do that, see if "Calculate folder sizes" is turned on in the Views cdev. If it is, turn it off. That's what made Sys7 run so slowly on my SE/30, and now it flies. If it isn't that, then look to your inits. Like I said, I find everything to run faster under Sys7. --Kem-- --- * Origin: Not Even Odd for your Mac! 718-997-1189 <> (1:2603/204) Msg. #3070 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 15:03:00 To: Lucas Hamburg From: Kem Tekinay Subject: Bugs. LH>Could someone please share a list of any bugs they have found in System 7? I LH>am interested because there have been some strage things going on with my LH>IIsi lately... I've only found one bug with Sys7. I set the font in the Finder to Times 12. Now, if I edit a long file name in one of the text views, it amy not fit within the editing rectangle. --Kem-- --- * Origin: Not Even Odd for your Mac! 718-997-1189 <> (1:2603/204) Msg. #3071 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 16:02:00 To: Daniel Zajd From: Kem Tekinay Subject: Zterm ?? DZ>Is Zterm 0.85 the latest version?? DZ>I have heard about Zterm 1.0. Is that a real uppgrade?? As of this wrting, ZTerm 0.85 is the latest version. V. 0.90 should be out soon. ZTerm 1.0 is a hack, and should not be used. --Kem-- --- * Origin: Not Even Odd for your Mac! 718-997-1189 <> (1:2603/204) Msg. #3084 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 15:36:09 To: Roger Harmon From: Lawson English Subject: Re: International Systems Roger Harmon writes in a message to Ian Goldsmith RH> I have a friend going to Sweden and wanting to continue writing RH> a book in MS Word 4.0. There will be a Swedish Mac there to use RH> and we are wondering if there will be any conflicts trying to RH> write in English on a Swedish Mac, keyboard, etc? /Roger Roger, I have installed the International version of System 7, which contains the "Suisse Romand" as well as the "Deutsche Schwiez" keyboards. The main difference is in the punctuation. If zou notice, I am now using the first of these kezboards, and a few odd character changes show up. USA: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ Suisse Romand: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXZY Deutsche Schwiez: SAME USA: `~1!2@3#4$5%6^7&8*9(0)[{]}\;:'",<.>/? Suisse Romand: <>1+2"3*4[c with "tail"]5%6&7/8(9)0='?^`[accented e] [oomlaut u]!$[Franc sign][accented e][oomlaut u][accented a][oomlaut a],;.:-_ Deutsche Schwiez: SAME If your friend is using System 7, I have the installation disks for the international version. If he wants a System 6.0.5/7 version of the Swiss French or German, I have those as well... (they are on the d e v e l o p magazine CD 7). Lawson --- COUNTERPoint Silver 1.02 * Origin: Murphy!? Hell, PETER was an optimist... (1:300/7.88) Msg. #2992 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 17:37:55 To: Bengt B{Verman From: Sanford Selznick Subject: Re: SAM INIT BB> As far as I have heard Symantec recommends you NOT to use neither BB> SUM nor SAM with System 7. The System 7 savvy versions are not out BB> yet! Well, If this is true, please enlighten us to how the sam control panel supports balloon help. I have been using SAM v3.0 for over two months on a IIsi and IIcx without a single problem, with system 7. I have the control panel in the control panels folder. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: - Tucson Arizona - 602-741-7851 - (1:300/7) Msg. #2993 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 17:48:17 To: All From: Sanford Selznick Subject: Hierarchal Apple Menus Has anyone heard of the heirarchal apple menus init where when active, folders within the apple menu items folder are hierarchal from the apple menu? Is this shareware? Does it exist? If so, where can I find it? And, How much? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Sanford --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: - Tucson Arizona - 602-741-7851 - (1:300/7) Msg. #3006 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/02/91 at 00:06:00 To: All From: Eric Larson Subject: System7 Rules! SYSTEM7 is an internationally distributed Echomail conference. It is carried on the Fidonet Zone 1 Backbone, and thus Fidonet policies regarding echomail apply to the administration of this echo. 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Eric Larson, 1:260/330 SYSTEM7 Moderator (Many of these rules are borrowed from the Echomac rules) Msg. #3007 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 20:09:19 To: Bengt B{Verman From: Richard Lloyd Subject: RE: SAM INIT > LO> Can anyone please tell me the proper place to put the SAM INIT? > > As far as I have heard Symantec recommends you NOT to use neither SUM nor SAM > with System 7. The System 7 savvy versions are not out yet! SAM 3.0 may not be TOTALLY System 7 savvy, but it certainly is System 7 compatible - and is advertised as such. It has balloon help, etc. The SAM init should go in the extensions folder. An Alias can go in the Control Panels folder if you want to be able to access SAM quickly to have it scan something, reconfigure it, etc. --- Copernicus V1.02 * Origin: Pompey, NY - via Shockwave Rider (1:260/330.9) Msg. #3008 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 20:11:16 To: Daniel Zajd From: Richard Lloyd Subject: RE: Zterm ?? > Is Zterm 0.85 the latest version?? > I have heard about Zterm 1.0. Is that a real uppgrade?? No. The author of Zterm has left messages on a couple of echoes, stating that 0.85 is the latest - and that he had nothing to do with the supposed version 1.0 that is found on some BBSs. --- Copernicus V1.02 * Origin: Pompey, NY - via Shockwave Rider (1:260/330.9) Msg. #3010 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 22:14:50 To: Bengt B{Verman From: Bob Studer Subject: SAM INIT Last I remember, Symantec said that SAM version 3.0 works just dandy with System 7. I have been using it since I installed System 7 and have not experienced any problems. It even caught an NVIR A that I didn't expect, so I know it works. -Bob --- MacWoof Eval:27Aug91 * Origin: Point No Point (1:203/932.4) Msg. #3013 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/03/91 at 11:47:00 To: Lawson English From: Bruce Tomlin Subject: International Systems RH> I have a friend going to Sweden and wanting to continue writing RH> a book in MS Word 4.0. There will be a Swedish Mac there to use LE> Roger, I have installed the International version of System 7, LE> which contains the "Suisse Romand" as well as the "Deutsche Schwiez" That's nice, but those are Swiss keyboard layouts. Sweden is "Svensk". --- * Origin: Get that "April fresh" 32-bit clean feeling! (1:387/555) Msg. #3014 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/02/91 at 09:58:27 To: Norm Goodger From: Lawson English Subject: Re: AfterDark Norm Goodger writes in a message to Chul Kim NG> The length of which is not going to do anyone's monitor doing NG> any harm Less'n' acourse yer downloading System 7... Lawson --- COUNTERPoint Silver 1.02 * Origin: Murphy!? Hell, PETER was an optimist... (1:300/7.88) Msg. #3016 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/02/91 at 11:13:00 To: Charlie Rogers From: Kem Tekinay Subject: Sam Init CR>I tried to place Sam in the Extensions folder and found an El Bombo! Very sa CR>looking opening screen of an unhappy Mac. Tried with an alias and with the CR>actual application. I placed it back in the Control Panel and everything was CR>back to normal. I'm using a LC with 4 megs of RAM and not all things work as CR>in other machines, though. Are you sure you have v.3.0 of SAM? If not, upgrade. V.2.0 isn't supposed to work with System 7. --Kem-- --- * Origin: Not Even Odd for your Mac! 718-997-1189 <> (1:2603/204) Msg. #3031 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/01/91 at 00:46:00 To: Lawson English From: Duncan McNutt Subject: RE: Kbd layouts Hello Lawson, In a message Lawson English writes to Duncan Mcnutt: LE>> How do you get the Icon to appear in the Menu and the keyboard LE>> control panel? DM>> That happens automatically. By the way, you can drag script LE> THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN AUTOMATICALLY. NO WAY. I did just what you said, LE> rebooted my machine, and got nothing. Not even the American flag. You LE> are leaving out at least one step... Well it should appear in the keyboard control panel in any case. If not something is wrong. The way to get the flag menu is to edit the "itlc" resource and set "Always show icon" to "yes". LE> I just noticed your origin line: you are from out of the USA, and are LE> almost certainly using a different System 7 than I am. Nope :-) I'm using the US system 7. But it works with all system 7s. Cheers, Duncan (Big Mac) --- WordStar 9999 * Origin: Rhein-Main Macintosh BBS [FRG-06101-41471] (2:243/100) Msg. #3035 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/02/91 at 23:38:43 To: Al Varnell From: Louis Oaken Subject: RE: SAM INIT > > LO> Can anyone please tell me the proper place to put the SAM INIT? > LO> Does it go in the Extensions Folder and a alias in the Control Panel? > LO> Or just in the System Folder? > > In the Extensions Folder. An alias in the Control Panel is not required, but > may be a convenience to you. Well, thats the problem - When I put an alias in the control panel - I get 2 scans for everything! AUTOMATICALLY!!!! Louis --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: MY POINT on Sunshine Online Service! (1:135/92.1) Msg. #3036 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/02/91 at 23:39:27 To: Bengt B{Verman From: Louis Oaken Subject: RE: SAM INIT > LO> Can anyone please tell me the proper place to put the SAM INIT? > > As far as I have heard Symantec recommends you NOT to use neither SUM nor SAM > with System 7. The System 7 savvy versions are not out yet! > Thanks for the info! Guess I need to be a bit more patient! Louis --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: MY POINT on Sunshine Online Service! (1:135/92.1) Msg. #3037 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/02/91 at 23:46:28 To: Richard Lloyd From: Louis Oaken Subject: RE: SAM INIT > > Can anyone please tell me the proper place to put the SAM INIT? > > Does it go in the Extensions Folder and a alias in the Control Panel? > > Or just in the System Folder? > > According to the directions in the manual (you DO have a manual, right?), Sam > Intercept goes in the Extensions folder and Sam Intercept Alias goes in the > Control Panel folder. OF COURSE I HAVE THE MANUAL! Manuals come to ALL registered OWNERS who upgrade their products since the beginning! If you had read my message, then you would of know that, thats EXACTLY where I put the INIT and the alias! My problem is, that I am getting 2 INITs at startup, 2 Scans, etc.... I have ONLY 1 copy of the INIT in the extension folder and ONLY 1 alias in the control panel. Any other suggestions that I might be able to try? Thanks, Louis --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: MY POINT on Sunshine Online Service! (1:135/92.1) Msg. #3044 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/03/91 at 16:19:12 To: John Gillett From: Dorman Bullard Subject: RE: Strange Problems > DF> I am using Ehman drives. What can I do to update the drivers? > > I have no idea what software came with those drives when you got them. Contact > either the publisher of the software of Ehman to find out about System 7 > compat and possible upgrades. I have an unoficial document put out on America Online that says that for Ehman you need HD Formatter version 3.0. That might be necessary only if you are using virtual memory and/or 24 bit mode processing. What you need to do is call Ehman and get the word from them as to what driver you need. Or, if you subscribe to America Online, you can send Email to "EHMAN1", or enter their forum in the Industries section. On Compuserve their mail address is 72541,26. Apparently they are not on GEnie. --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: A Point Worth Getting to. (1:114/56.4) Msg. #3045 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/03/91 at 16:30:07 To: John Gillett From: Dorman Bullard Subject: RE: Apple licensing > el> $25/year for the Extensions Manager or TrueType is ludicrous. > > Actually, IMHO, any fee is ludicrous. I see no reason I should pay Apple to > help make their software more accessable to users. I dropped my license a long > time ago. Seems to me we do enough to support them already by paying their > high prices for equipment. I am not a lawyer, so I'm only going on a small segment of a two week course I had on contract law when I comment below (maybe a lawyer can confirm or deny what I say). Anyhow, I think Apple is not so much trying to nickle and dime people by charging liscense fees as they are trying to protect their copyright against major infringement by a competitior. As I understand it, to legally claim damages one has to prove in court that they considered their copyright a thing of value. That is done in many ways, but a couple is to take steps to keep it from being infringed upon, and to charge a liscense fee for its use. In theory, if Apple did nothing to keep its copyright from being infringed upon (i.e. knowingly allowed major infringement to take place without taking action), or did not charge for liscenses for its use, a competitor could suggest in court that Apple did not value the copyright. Again, I'm not a lawyer, but thats the way I understand it. Msg. #3072 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/02/91 at 18:28:23 To: Dallas Cantland From: Scott Christensen Subject: how much? Dallas Cantland writes in a message to All on 31 Aug 91 DC> Can you get a copy of this from a users group or is it commercial DC> and you have to BUY a copy of system 7? System 7 can be purchased for $99 (or $350 for the network update CD-ROM) - or - your dealer can allow you to copy his disks - or - you can get it from a user group - or - you can download it from a national online service - or - you can download it from any licensed BBS. DC> I have a mac plus with 2.5megs of ram. Do I have enough memory? I think that you are going to want another couple 1 MB SIMMs real quick, and you are going to want some kind of accelerator real quick too. System 7 will run 1 program in the amount of RAM you have available. The "Finder" from System 7 is pretty pokey - that's what will cause you to want an accelerator. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #3074 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/02/91 at 14:56:27 To: Dallas Cantland From: Richard Lloyd Subject: RE: how much? > Can you get a copy of this from a users group or is it commercial and you have > to BUY a copy of system 7? You can get a copy of System 7 from any User Group that is licensed by Apple to distribute it. They usually charge a modest fee for the time spent in duplicating it - plus the disks, if they supply them. Our User Group charges $20 for the 9 disk set, including Sony disks and nice LaserWriter printed labels. > I have a mac plus with 2.5megs of ram. Do I have enough memory? It will be a little tight. Apple says that System 7 will run in 2 megs of memory, and it will - but not much else will run. As an example, I received a call yesterday from a new member who bought a Mac LC with 2 megs three weeks ago. It ran fine for him until he installed System 7 the other day. He tried running MacWrite and got the message "Not Enough Memory to Open MacWrite". The message indicated that he was only a little shy of enough memory, so I suggested (as a temporary measure until he got more memory) cutting down the memory cache, removing Control Panel Devices and Extensions he didn't need, etc. I haven't heard whether that did the trick. But you get the message....... Memory is pretty cheap these days - go for 4 megs if you can afford it. --- Copernicus V1.02 * Origin: Pompey, NY - via Shockwave Rider (1:260/330.9) Msg. #3077 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/03/91 at 10:32:56 To: All From: Michael Colanero Subject: Another strange problem... I having two strange problems 1) when I switch the views options in the control panel and restart it forgets what changes I just made. Anyone else having this problem. 2) When I use the new Norton Disk Doctor it says my Finder Prefrences file is either damaged or an unknown format. Could this be the culprit? I reinstalled the system software and it still happens. Any ideas??? Eno --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: =-> Outer Limits BBS, Dreaming of a HST-DS.. (1:273/217) Msg. #3078 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/03/91 at 16:39:50 To: Norm Goodger From: Dave Ostaszewski Subject: RE: Re: AfterDark In a message to Chul Kim written on Tuesday, September 3, 1991 at 5:41:45 AM, Norm Goodger writes: NG> After Dark also has a Moire Module. It also has a setting called System IQ NG> that monitors activity, specially the serial port to prevent it from NG> activating should you be doing a file transfer. As far as I can tell there NG> is no reason to have a screen saver running while a file transfer is in NG> progress anyway. The length of which is not going to do anyone's monitor NG> doing any harm. .. there is a very good reason to have a screen saver running while a file transfer is in progress... what happens when you are getting a LARGE file.. let's say one that'll take 45-hour to get.. if not more... why shouldn't one use a screen saver during that period in which the screen is inactive <relatively>... that's was the premise of the screen savers.. save the screen during a period which the computer monitor is seemingly inactive... although, i'd still recommend turning the monitor off ... if you have the capability... oh well.. take it easy.. l8r --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: =-> Outer Limits BBS, Dreaming of a HST-DS.. (1:273/217) Msg. #3079 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/03/91 at 22:01:00 To: Nobody From: Alex Moran Subject: test NOECHO test --- * Origin: Gentle Rain Forum - CHOMP (Mac Users Group) (1:207/111) Msg. #3081 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/03/91 at 09:27:56 To: Bruce Tomlin From: Lawson English Subject: Kbd layouts Bruce Tomlin writes in a message to Lawson English BT> What now? Nothing. They don't work (I *told* you they weren't BT> system 7 studly!) Now just try running a word processor (MacWrite BT> II can freak out with "globe" scripts installed by icon dragging) BT> and for REAL fun, try removing them from your system file and BT> rebooting. (better be ready to reinstall your system from the BT> master disks! Oohhhh. I thought you were describing a way to get them to work... It's all moot anyway: the d e v e l o p 7 CD has the System 7 versions of International, as well as Norwegian. No Kanji, Chinese, Arabic, or Hebrew yet. Lawson (Happily running International System 7 with 7 keyboard ICONS in the keyboard menu (that *work*)) --- COUNTERPoint Silver 1.02 * Origin: Murphy!? Hell, PETER was an optimist... (1:300/7.88) Msg. #3083 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/02/91 at 11:58:37 To: Dallas Cantland From: Al Varnell Subject: how much? DC> Can you get a copy of this from a users group or is it commercial and you DC> have to BUY a copy of system 7? Apple sent all registered user groups a set of nine System 7 disks which their members are entitled to copy. DC> I have a mac plus with 2.5megs of ram. Do I have enough memory? Barely, but then who really does have enough memory. -Al- --- MacWoof Eval:27Aug91 * Origin: Scorpion-Point-Three, Colorado Springs, Colorado (1:128/46.3) Msg. #3093 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/05/91 at 07:57:41 To: Michael Colanero From: Dorman Bullard Subject: RE: Another strange problem... > I having two strange problems 1) when I switch the views options in the > control panel and restart it forgets what changes I just made. Anyone else > having this problem. 2) When I use the new Norton Disk Doctor it says my > Finder Prefrences file is either damaged or an unknown format. Could this be > the culprit? I reinstalled the system software and it still happens. Any > ideas??? > Eno Use some other startup disk and trash the Finder Preferences file before reinstalling. You can *probably* just just drag a new copy of the Finder Preferences file from the System 7 disks (whichever one it its on). I say probably, because I think but don't know whether you need to do a full install just to replace that one file. Worth a try, but just remember you may have to do a full re-install --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: A Point Worth Getting to. (1:114/56.4) Msg. #3118 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 08/29/91 at 16:36:50 To: All From: Ken Kirksey Subject: Weirdness Whenever I restart my machine, some of my finder settings get reset. The two that I have noticed are the "calculate folder sizes" and the "warn before emptying" in the trash get info box. Anybody have any Idea what could be causing these to be reset? Ken --- MacWoof Eval:26Aug91 * Origin: -= The Lyceum -=- Auburn, AL -=- 205.826.9205 =- (1:3613/13.4) Msg. #3119 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/03/91 at 10:17:50 To: Norm Goodger From: Steve Ebener Subject: RE: Re: AfterDark In a message to Chul Kim dated 08/27/91 at 16:45:20, Norm Goodger writes: NG> After Dark also has a Moire Module. It also has a setting NG> called System IQ that monitors activity, specially the NG> serial port to prevent it from activating should you be NG> doing a file transfer. As far as I can tell there is no NG> reason to have a screen saver running while a file transfer NG> is in progress anyway. Hmmm, when I tested After Dark last year, I could never get that feature to work on my BBS. I wanted to have it "wake up" every time a user logged on during the times that I was "available." Its failure to do so under any circumstances is why I reverted back to Pyro! v4.0 (now v4.01). Also, if I didn't want the screen to wake (like when I wasn't home, etc.) then there was a definite degradation of all file transfers due to the processor time that the AD modules (most of them) require. That's what makes Pyro! so attractive to me. Its ability to have a secondary, lower processor requiring, module to fall back on during times of peak use. Also, under System 7 with QuicKeys v2.1 putting the screen to sleep is just a single keystroke away. As with all software, your mileage may vary. (Also, personal choice has a large part to do with your level of satisfaction.) :-) _Steve Ebener_ _Greyland BBS_ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. (1:152/42) Msg. #2894 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/03/91 at 11:05:16 To: Eric Larson From: Steve Ebener Subject: RE: Apple licensing In a message to Steve Ebener dated 08/31/91 at 18:05:00, Eric Larson writes: EL> Of course, you don't need the whole package. I license the EL> system software, the comm toolbox, and the developer's EL> utils. That costs $100 per year, and it is easy to cover EL> the cost with user contributions. EL> EL> $25/year for the Extensions Manager or TrueType is EL> ludicrous. I understand that I don't _need_ the whole package. However, as it stands I am licensed to distribute more things that even the local MUG is. As this isn't that large of an area, the only places you can get Apple software are from the MUG, the two Apple stores (if they're willing to hand it out, which they _usually_ are), Apple Link (via the Vax at the University or Oregon), or from me. Of the three, I was the first to have System 7. Most people don't have the resources or the connections to get an account at the U of O, so that leaves the stores or me. So, I've opted to carry as much as I can afford (but not everything). I mean, at least my users know that if their master disk dies, they can get a "fresh" copy within the hour, no matter the time of day. (Outside of Fido events, of course.) At least I'm cheaper than the $12.50 an hour rate for Apple Link, even though I do charge my users for full access to most of my file areas. Anyway, I think the $25 a pop for adding the new things (besides being prorated) is just the standard fee Apple decided to charge for _adding_ to your licence. I guess we'll find out at the end of our license terms whether they're going to charge that much for all of those additions or not. (If they do, I know I'm going to cut down what I carry.) _Steve Ebener_ _Greyland BBS_ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. (1:152/42) Msg. #2895 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/03/91 at 11:56:47 To: Scott Christensen From: Steve Ebener Subject: RE: Apple licensing In a message to Steve Ebener dated 09/01/91 at 09:31:01, Scott Christensen writes: SC> I hesitate to continue an off-topic string, but Apple no SC> longer sends master disks for everything. You have to SC> specifically tell Apple Licensing that you don't have an SC> AppleLink account, or else they will expect you to download SC> the disk images (on your dime) from AppleLink. This started SC> last year with the Technical notes and continues with the SC> new System 7 (TrueType compatible - I knew I could get this SC> somewhere near on-topic somehow) printer drivers. In short, SC> the level of service is going down, and the price is going SC> up. heheh hahaha. I've been getting the license notices, send in my check with the application filled out, and then they send me an letter stating that I can then call AppleLink to get the files. I then call and explain that I don't have an AppleLink account. Twice so far I've had to explain why I don't have an account. (this to the same person...) Of course every time I do have to call, I ask them to put in my information that I don't have an account, and to please send me every thing on disk. So far its only taken the "reminder" to get a disk (or seven in the case of the printer drivers) in the mail. (Actually I think they've finally caught on. They sent me the disks without my having to call and ask for them this time.) :-) Anyway, I'm still laughing over the fact that I was the first person in this area to have System 7, and have it available for distribution. The stores didn't get their copies for another month (more or less). There were quite a few people who were not happy about that. Including the local MUG which had to postpone their "System 7" upgrade night. <snicker snicker> (Ha! got it back on topic, more or less - mostly less...) :) _Steve Ebener_ _Greyland BBS_ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. (1:152/42) Msg. #2897 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/04/91 at 10:34:58 To: Sanford Selznick From: Chip Old Subject: RE: Hierarchal Apple Menus In a message to All dated 1 Sep 91, you wrote: SS> Has anyone heard of the heirarchal apple menus init where when SS> active, folders within the apple menu items folder are hierarchal SS> from the apple menu? Is this shareware? Does it exist? If so, SS> where can I find it? And, How much? That capability is included in the latest version of the Now Utilities, which is commercial (about $80 from most mail order houses). I'm not aware of a shareware Extension that will do the job, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time... --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Copernicus II, shipping Sept 9 (1:261/1053.2) Msg. #2898 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/04/91 at 08:46:49 To: John Gillett From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: RE: Apple licensing JG> Actually, IMHO, any fee is ludicrous. I see no reason I should pay Apple JG> to JG> help make their software more accessable to users. I dropped my license a JG> long JG> time ago. Seems to me we do enough to support them already by paying their JG> high JG> prices for equipment. MUGs get all the licesensing for free. In the past 6 months (since System 7 came out) Apple's been licensing a LOT of software, only we have to get it ourselves, which is ashame when you don't have an AppleLink account. jason --- MacWoof Eval:18Aug91 * Origin: *StarPoint* - Bits of *StarLine*...215.635.2341! v32! (1:273/922.6) Msg. #2899 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/05/91 at 10:55:00 To: Alex Moran From: Bruce Tomlin Subject: test > NOECHO > test failed. --- * Origin: Get that "April fresh" 32-bit clean feeling! (1:387/555) Msg. #2900 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/05/91 at 10:58:00 To: Lawson English From: Bruce Tomlin Subject: Kbd layouts > Lawson (Happily running International System 7 with 7 keyboard > ICONS in the keyboard menu (that *work*)) Well, you can take the System 6 keyboard layouts, and copy them (except Greek--don't bother with it, one even has a resource ID conflict with one of the other intl keyboard layouts) into your system. Then you need to use ResEdit 2.1.1 with the kcs# editor installed and use the images from the SICN resources to help you create new flags. IM VI has color pictures of most of the flags in one of the color plates at the front, the other few I had to look up in a world alamanac. --- * Origin: Get that "April fresh" 32-bit clean feeling! (1:387/555) Msg. #2901 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/04/91 at 11:36:59 To: Bruce Tomlin From: David Whittaker Subject: SndMstr Bruce, Wow...The legend himself! Could you please let me know what is the latest version of Snd Mstr that will work on a plus with 2.5 meg and running 6.0.5 thanks bunches! David Whittaker --- MacWoof Eval:30Aug91 * Origin: The Sum Of All Fears...Bad Back up media! (1:128/46.5) Msg. #2902 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/04/91 at 20:56:03 To: Damon Goo From: Al Varnell Subject: Re: Now Utilities DG> Sorry I'm under non-disclosure by developer aggreement. So am I, but the way I understand it, we are free to discuss it now that it's been released. So what did you find wrong with NowSave? -Al- --- MacWoof Eval:27Aug91 * Origin: Scorpion-Point-Three, Colorado Springs, Colorado (1:128/46.3) Msg. #2903 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/04/91 at 20:58:19 To: Ira Lunsk From: Al Varnell Subject: MacWoof IL> ^APID: MacWoof 1.0.1b2 IL> --- MacWoof Eval:29Aug91 I see you're trying MacWoof again. Any better luck? -Al- --- MacWoof Eval:27Aug91 * Origin: Scorpion-Point-Three, Colorado Springs, Colorado (1:128/46.3) Msg. #2924 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/06/91 at 08:05:48 To: Jason Ehrlich From: John Gillett Subject: RE: Apple licensing JE> In the past 6 months (since System 7 JE> came out) Apple's been licensing a LOT of software, only we have to JE> get it ourselves, which is ashame when you don't have an AppleLink JE> account. Which costs a bundle anyway. I dropped my account. MUGs may have the money, but the poor lone user (like me and a lot of others here) is usually struggling just to keep his board going. On the other hand, Apple never ceases to amaze me. Point in question - the new MODE32 agreement... John --- Copernicus II Point (CS) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix [6:6008/1] (1:114/27.1) Msg. #2928 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/04/91 at 00:29:10 To: Roger Harmon From: Kirk Crawford Subject: Re: International Systems RH> I have a friend going to Sweden and wanting to continue writing a RH> book in MS Word 4.0. There will be a Swedish Mac there to use and RH> we are wondering if there will be any conflicts trying to write in RH> English on a Swedish Mac, keyboard, etc? I was recently in Germany for work and had to use their Macs to modify a program I wrote. You can easily change the keyboard to reflect the USA key settings, but then the problem is the key caps themselves are all wrong. If you don't look at the keys when you type it is OK, but if your friend is not a touch typist, he may want to bring a US Keyboard along. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Kirk's BBS For ChangeName 1.0 FREQ CHANGENAME.CPT (1:102/132) Msg. #2929 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/03/91 at 15:56:40 To: All From: Ethan Bernstein Subject: Quitting w/ Type 1 error All - I have been having a problem with my BBS program (Hermes 1.7) and System 7. It seems that every (or almost every -- all Apple problems are intermittent) time I quit, it says that "The application "unknown" has unexpectedly quit due to a type 1 error." This wouldn't be a problem, except that every evening when I attempt to run Tabby events nothing happens because that awful dialog box stops anything from continuing until one presses "OK". Those people on the Hermes Support Board said it was a System 7 problem -- so here I am! What can I do?? Ethan --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: CPMacintosh ///// 213-874-O8O9 \\\\\ (1:102/754) (1:102/754) Msg. #2822 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/04/91 at 20:07:22 To: Bengt Lindell From: Roger Harmon Subject: RE: Kbd layouts Greetings, I have a friend who will be in Sweden several months and needs to work on a book she has started in the USA on Word 4.0. She is getting a Swedish Mac when she arrives. Will she encounter any problems running her software (she is taking her SuperMac DataFrame hard disk) or hardware? I was wondering about keyboard differences etc? /Roger Harmon/ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: - Tucson Arizona - 602-741-7851 - (1:300/7) Msg. #2823 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/04/91 at 20:28:28 To: Lawson English From: Roger Harmon Subject: Re: International Systems Thanks Lawson, will be intouch. /Roger/ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: - Tucson Arizona - 602-741-7851 - (1:300/7) Msg. #2824 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/04/91 at 23:26:03 To: Hyoung Csong Hnam From: Ian Goldsmith Subject: Re: International Systems Hyoung, As far as I can tell, no-- I know its possible to send mail from compuserve or genie to Internet, and back again, but I don't know if you can transfer whole files. If you absolutely can't get an account, I could download it for you. Give me a call at 315-425-7246 and we'll work things out. Ian Goldsmith --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: G A L A X I A ! * Phoenix, NY * (315) 695-4436 (1:260/328) Msg. #2825 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/04/91 at 23:38:39 To: Roger Harmon From: Ian Goldsmith Subject: Re: International Systems Roger, There shouldn't be any problem with the system software per se. The keyboard may have a different layout but you should be able to choose a U.S. keyboard layout. Now as for continuing to write the book, does the swedish mac have a copy of MS Word 4.0. If it does there won't be any problem. If he intends to bring a U.S. version, call Microsoft to find out the details. Alternatively I can try it out on my computer, but that will have to wait until friday (med school garbage) Drop me a note if you want me to try it out.. Ian Goldsmith --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: G A L A X I A ! * Phoenix, NY * (315) 695-4436 (1:260/328) Msg. #2828 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/04/91 at 10:13:07 To: All From: Tom Leber Subject: Finder Bug Anybody notice anything weird about the text which appears at the top of finder's windows (ie: number of files, total K, etc.)? Occasionally, I notice that after a file is deleted, this text appears mangled, as if the characters have been overwritten. Possibly Finder isn't refreshing when it should be or something. Anyone else notice this? --- MacWoof Eval:29Aug91 * Origin: Things that make you go 'Hmmm'... (1:273/922.1) Msg. #2829 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/05/91 at 08:28:58 To: Bruce Tomlin From: Lawson English Subject: International Systems Bruce Tomlin writes in a message to Lawson English BT> That's nice, but those are Swiss keyboard layouts. Sweden is BT> "Svensk" Oops... Well, I just checked the CD: Sweden 7.0 is on there, and THEORETICALLy, one can just move the keyboard (and script if there is one) to the Int'l System file and 'twill work fine. I'm not sure I'd want to try it with just the USA System 7 file, in case there are some differences... Lawson --- COUNTERPoint Silver 1.02 * Origin: Murphy!? Hell, PETER was an optimist... (1:300/7.88) Msg. #2830 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/05/91 at 08:30:33 To: Kem Tekinay From: Lawson English Subject: Bugs. Kem Tekinay writes in a message to Lucas Hamburg KT> I've only found one bug with Sys7. I set the font in the Finder KT> to Times 12. Now, if I edit a long file name in one of the text KT> views, it amy not fit within the editing rectangle. KT> --Kem-- Setting the Finder font to certain shareware fonts may hang the system... Lawson --- COUNTERPoint Silver 1.02 * Origin: Murphy!? Hell, PETER was an optimist... (1:300/7.88) Msg. #2841 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/04/91 at 10:27:47 To: Lawson English From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: AfterDark >Less'n' acourse yer downloading System 7... While it can take a while, you would have to download it quite a few times before burn in would occur on your screen. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo BBS - Newark, CA. 415-795-8862 - (SS_HST) (1:204/555) Msg. #2846 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/04/91 at 20:10:15 To: Kem Tekinay From: Charlie Rogers Subject: Sam Init CR> I tried to place Sam in the Extensions folder and found an El Bombo! CR> Very sad looking opening screen of an unhappy Mac. KT> Are you sure you have v.3.0 of SAM? If not, upgrade. V.2.0 isn't supposed KT> to work with System 7. Ah HAH! I tried it WITH v. 2.0...no wonder it didn't work! Thanks for the info. Charlie --- MacWoof 1.0.1 * Origin: "You say, you're waiting for System 8!" (1:361/106.2) Msg. #2852 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/04/91 at 16:48:00 To: Lawson English From: Lucas Hamburg Subject: Bugs. LE> Lucas Hamburg writes in a message to All LE> LE> LH> 3. Anyone else have problems with the mouse button acting like LE> LH> it's stuck in the down position after clicking, even after you've LE> LH> lifted your finger? LE> LE> I've always had that problem (since System 6). LE> LE> L:awson LE> LE> --- COUNTERPoint Silver 1.02 LE> * Origin: Murphy!? Hell, PETER was an optimist... LE> (1:300/7.88) So you mean you just live with it? Isn't there anything I can do? --- * Origin: Not Even Odd for your Mac! 718-997-1189 <> (1:2603/204) Msg. #2853 in *SYSTEM7* Posted on 09/04/91 at 16:53:00 To: Tina Henderson From: Lucas Hamburg Subject: Bugs.??? Tina, it's ok--'cause I forgot what the bugs I mentioned were.. a few of them seem to magically have disappeared, maybe because I stopped using so many shareware programs.. I don't know. Oh well thanks for the reply. --- * Origin: Not Even Odd for your Mac! 718-997-1189 <> (1:2603/204)